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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why this is a bad thing. We have a limited amount of land, so we should be increasing density where this is infrastructure, rather than eating up our arable land for single family home on acre plots an hour outside our cities. It is crazy and unprecendented in human terms to be so wasteful.

Leave it to the liberals to dictate where people should live, how much land they can own, and how big their home can be.
Which party is the "authoritarian" party?

Along free market and ‘user pays’ principles, would you be okay footing the additional costs incurred in providing electricity, water, gas, sewers, roads, etc to people who choose to live in low density locations?

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why this is a bad thing. We have a limited amount of land, so we should be increasing density where this is infrastructure, rather than eating up our arable land for single family home on acre plots an hour outside our cities. It is crazy and unprecendented in human terms to be so wasteful.

Leave it to the liberals to dictate where people should live, how much land they can own, and how big their home can be.
Which party is the "authoritarian" party?

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Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

So reward poor socialization and behavior with wasteful single family homes that are more expensive and farther way than multi-family closer in?

The reality is that our SFH, far from the city and on a nice lot is much more affordable than your multi-family dwelling closer in.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

What exactly are you talking about when you say "behave better?"

Making noise
Cleaning public spaces
Not smoking pot / dirtying the air
Dressing well
Not taking up too much space (in the us using an elevator is worse in multifam living since more Americans are obese)
Parking orderly
Not driving big cars

This sounds like white privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

What exactly are you talking about when you say "behave better?"

Making noise
Cleaning public spaces
Not smoking pot / dirtying the air
Dressing well
Not taking up too much space (in the us using an elevator is worse in multifam living since more Americans are obese)
Parking orderly
Not driving big cars

LOL. If these are your expectations, I am glad I am not your neighbor and thankful I don't live in the city.
I wouldn't live up to your standards.
I like making noise, but then again.... we have the property to do that without affecting others.
As far as cleaning public spaces..... we live on a lake and have an annual shore clean up which we happily participate in.
We don't smoke pot, but from what I can tell....... DC is full of pot smokers and the smell is everywhere. Where I live? No pot smell ever.
I dress the way I want. Didn't know "dressing well" means "behave better."
And, what does "parking orderly" even mean?
We also have a truck that I know you would disapprove of. But, we do our own yard maintenance and haul trash and debris, so we need it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

So reward poor socialization and behavior with wasteful single family homes that are more expensive and farther way than multi-family closer in?

Yes, as a nation we've made the terrible decision of distancing ourselves from anti-social people rather than addressing the anti-social people. After the last four years, they may be on to something.

*your choices

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why this is a bad thing. We have a limited amount of land, so we should be increasing density where this is infrastructure, rather than eating up our arable land for single family home on acre plots an hour outside our cities. It is crazy and unprecendented in human terms to be so wasteful.

Covid convinced me that my family's living arrangement - an hour outside the big city in a rural setting with large lots - was the right choice for us.
It is not at all wasteful. I will never live in a densely populated area again.

It not wasteful if you are growing your own food, have a well for water on your property and can dispose of your own trash and human waste. Otherwise, it is very wasteful, you just aren't aware of the infrastructure and subsidies that benefit our choices.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

So reward poor socialization and behavior with wasteful single family homes that are more expensive and farther way than multi-family closer in?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

What exactly are you talking about when you say "behave better?"

Making noise
Cleaning public spaces
Not smoking pot / dirtying the air
Dressing well
Not taking up too much space (in the us using an elevator is worse in multifam living since more Americans are obese)
Parking orderly
Not driving big cars

The real issue is not being able to approach a neighbor seeking redress of these issues without fear of having a gun pulled on you/getting clocked/getting shamed on social media.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

What exactly are you talking about when you say "behave better?"

Making noise
Cleaning public spaces
Not smoking pot / dirtying the air
Dressing well
Not taking up too much space (in the us using an elevator is worse in multifam living since more Americans are obese)
Parking orderly
Not driving big cars

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why this is a bad thing. We have a limited amount of land, so we should be increasing density where this is infrastructure, rather than eating up our arable land for single family home on acre plots an hour outside our cities. It is crazy and unprecendented in human terms to be so wasteful.

Covid convinced me that my family's living arrangement - an hour outside the big city in a rural setting with large lots - was the right choice for us.
It is not at all wasteful. I will never live in a densely populated area again.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

There is some truth to what this person is saying. Americans frankly are not as considerate towards their neighbors as other places. In Japan and South Korea, at least there is some social pressure for people to behave well. In the US, not so much.

What exactly are you talking about when you say "behave better?"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Multifsm housing works in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, and Singapore because there is massive social pressure to tattle/conform and otherwise behave

In Anglo countries, individualism is considered supreme so there is no social or state coercion to behave and hence muktifsm housing is annoying to live in

YIMBYs never want to talk about the social/state pressure required to make everyone behave better

There is a reason why living in a multifam in Tokyo or Zurich or Munich is ok but then you try in dc and it sucks

This is such BS. It is the same as saying that biking as a mode of transportation works in Europe and Asia but not the US because, reasons.

It is all about leadership. Do we want to continue the failed sprawl of the 20th Century or shift to something else that virtually the entire rest of the world does? Because what we are doing here is unsustainable from a landuse standpoint.

I stated my reason clearly

YIMBYs are socially libertarians so don’t want to acknowledge East Asian and Swiss/German societal traits that help smooth over multifam living

If you don’t have a heavy public hand you end up with South Asia, South American, British or Eastern Europe style multifam which is HORRIBLE

Even Spanish multifam sucks because people are inconsiderate about noise after certain times whereas in Switzerland and Germany the police will come if someone complains about noise

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why this is a bad thing. We have a limited amount of land, so we should be increasing density where this is infrastructure, rather than eating up our arable land for single family home on acre plots an hour outside our cities. It is crazy and unprecendented in human terms to be so wasteful.

Because every community should have a housing project.