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Anonymous wrote:8th Amendment violation on its face. $454 million in assessed damages for no damages incurred or claimed.

Just like Trump continuing to push his unfounded and false stolen election claims, you keep pushing this stupid "no damaged" claim.

Yes, the banks were not damaged. They used the estimates provided by the Trump organization to give him favorable loans. The crime was that he then use a different set of assessments for tax purposes. And using two sets of different assessments constitutes tax fraud. The damages were that he fraudulently claimed his properties were worth less than their assessed value, he provided falsified documents for tax purposes, he defrauded the government and the tax payers of NYS by paying less than the appropriate taxes than he owed. So there were definitely damages and he was assessed a civil penalty for the tax fraud and failing to pay the appropriate amount of taxes.

Any bank that uses a borrower's valuation of property is engaging in an unsafe and unsound practice and should be sanctioned. They always use their own or third party appraisals. Do you think a bank will give you a mortgage based on your estimate of what it is worth?

Likewise, tax authorities make their own property assessments for determining property taxes due. So I have never understood the argument that tax fraud was committed. Perhaps someone who is arguing this can explain it?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump’s biggest fear is being shown he’s poor.

That must be why he committed perjury by telling the court a few months ago how he had hundreds of millions of liquid dollars.

His net worth is probably in the low 7 figures. He owns a bunch of properties that are valuable, but no one really knows how much debt he has on them, how much is actually just partial ownerships because of LLCs and side deals, etc. If he actually had substantial equity in these properties, it should be no problem for him to go to a bank and borrow this money. The fact that he can't is very telling.

Anonymous wrote:Help me out, I saw in a BBC article that Trump could escape the debt by filling for bankruptcy
I thought
1.you couldn't get rid of this type of debt that way
2. If you file bankruptcy in these circumstances the court can sell all your assets to cover your debt
???

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Anonymous wrote:Do the lawyers have to prove he can’t pay?

For what reason. If he cant put up the bond to appeal doesn't he have to pay the judgement. How long does he have to pay it before collection proceedings can begin?

James can start seizing his assets March 26 at 12:01a.m., although I suspect she will wait until her office opens but I would bet the paperwork has already been done and ready to go to court!

The fastest routes are freezing bank accounts and putting liens on his properties in NYS. Actually liquidating the properties will take more court work.

But auctioning off Mar a Lago would be so satisfying

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Anonymous wrote:Do the lawyers have to prove he can’t pay?

For what reason. If he cant put up the bond to appeal doesn't he have to pay the judgement. How long does he have to pay it before collection proceedings can begin?

James can start seizing his assets March 26 at 12:01a.m., although I suspect she will wait until her office opens but I would bet the paperwork has already been done and ready to go to court!

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Anonymous wrote:I thought he was a billionaire!!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/nyregion/trump-bond-civil-fraud-case.html#commentsContainer

Can he not just raid the RNC coffers for this payment?

What is the consequence for not paying?

eventually, asset seizure

Anonymous wrote:I thought he was a billionaire!!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/nyregion/trump-bond-civil-fraud-case.html#commentsContainer

Can he not just raid the RNC coffers for this payment?

Anonymous wrote:Do you know who could pay this?

Taylor Swift.

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Anonymous wrote:Do the lawyers have to prove he can’t pay?

For what reason. If he cant put up the bond to appeal doesn't he have to pay the judgement. How long does he have to pay it before collection proceedings can begin?

Seems like seizing his assets would be a great way to get his followers to send money and maybe get violent.

He did the fraud, he needs to pay the consequences. Nothing to get violent about at all. His followers can find something better to do.

His followers will find out that he's been lying to them all along about what a successful business man he is. A multi-billionaire who can't afford half a billion fine.

Anonymous wrote:Trump's desperate need for money makes him a national security risk.

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Anonymous wrote:8th Amendment violation on its face. $454 million in assessed damages for no damages incurred or claimed.

Just like Trump continuing to push his unfounded and false stolen election claims, you keep pushing this stupid "no damaged" claim.

Yes, the banks were not damaged. They used the estimates provided by the Trump organization to give him favorable loans. The crime was that he then use a different set of assessments for tax purposes. And using two sets of different assessments constitutes tax fraud. The damages were that he fraudulently claimed his properties were worth less than their assessed value, he provided falsified documents for tax purposes, he defrauded the government and the tax payers of NYS by paying less than the appropriate taxes than he owed. So there were definitely damages and he was assessed a civil penalty for the tax fraud and failing to pay the appropriate amount of taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Help me out, I saw in a BBC article that Trump could escape the debt by filling for bankruptcy
I thought
1.you couldn't get rid of this type of debt that way
2. If you file bankruptcy in these circumstances the court can sell all your assets to cover your debt
???

He hasn't filed for bankruptcy so not sure how this is relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Help me out, I saw in a BBC article that Trump could escape the debt by filling for bankruptcy
I thought
1.you couldn't get rid of this type of debt that way
2. If you file bankruptcy in these circumstances the court can sell all your assets to cover your debt
???

He hasn't filed for bankruptcy so not sure how this is relevant.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy at least 5 times already, I am wondering if he can successfully pull that card again

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Anonymous wrote:8th Amendment violation on its face. $454 million in assessed damages for no damages incurred or claimed.

Just like Trump continuing to push his unfounded and false stolen election claims, you keep pushing this stupid "no damaged" claim.

Yes, the banks were not damaged. They used the estimates provided by the Trump organization to give him favorable loans. The crime was that he then use a different set of assessments for tax purposes. And using two sets of different assessments constitutes tax fraud. The damages were that he fraudulently claimed his properties were worth less than their assessed value, he provided falsified documents for tax purposes, he defrauded the government and the tax payers of NYS by paying less than the appropriate taxes than he owed. So there were definitely damages and he was assessed a civil penalty for the tax fraud and failing to pay the appropriate amount of taxes.

The RNC doesn't have nearly enough in the bank to cover the damages anyway. At most they could pay off part of his legal bills, but that's it. And doing so would totally wipe out any funding for the general election and down-ticket races.

Trump is a cancer, and conservatives still refuse to believe it.