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Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

My boss' son is in Turning Point. While teenage boys are exposed to more than of this ludicrous right-wing nonsense from Andrew Tate et al than is good for them, I don't see Turning Point as being more than a fringe group, mostly because it's cultish. These kids have been radicalized much like their Fox-watching adult counterparts. They are so far out of the mainstream for their generation it's sad. Unless they temper or reconsider their conservative stances, they will be perpetual outsiders in their generation. I see this in my boss' son. He's dropped out of college, doesn't have a girlfriend, has difficulty holding a job, comes back late after nights out drinking. It's bad. Some of this is as a result of the family dynamic/dysfunction, but anyone who would encourage their child to be involved in Turning Point is crazy.

Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

They’re morons if it took them this long to wake up to it. It was obvious even 20 years ago that this would be the eventual outcome. Tragic.

Yeah, idiots for taking 1-2 million Iraqi and Syrian refugees given it wasn’t them who destabilised the Middle East.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

They’re morons if it took them this long to wake up to it. It was obvious even 20 years ago that this would be the eventual outcome. Tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

They’re morons if it took them this long to wake up to it. It was obvious even 20 years ago that this would be the eventual outcome. Tragic.

Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

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Anonymous wrote:No young people are smarter than they are given credit for, if not for the indoctrination in American schools we would be seeing it here as well.

My DC’s HS Government teacher in 2021 was an open Trump supporter—she tried to both sides the Jan.6 events, among other things. She regularly posted anti-Biden content on her social media, which was easily found by her students since she used her actual name.

Is that the kind of indoctrination you’re talking about?

Is this in the DC area? Just curious

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

You have clearly do not understand the situation in Europe if you think the liberals are encouraging the importation of poverty and diversity.

Freedom of movement was established under the EU to encourage flexible and mobile labour markets. It was in fact driven by free market economics. This means that any citizen of an EU country has the right to live and work in another country. It predictably resulted in a large movement of migrants from poorer countries to wealthier countries upon enlargement of the EU to include Eastern European countries.

Opposition to migrants in the UK largely sprung from the fairly rapid arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans, particularly Poles, in the UK which led to a perception that cheap labour was undercutting the wages and working conditions of locals. The reality was Eastern European workers were more easily exploited and generally were prepared to work for less money. This is somewhat true. Note that these new arrivals were largely white and Christian. In some small towns, changes happened very rapidly as large numbers of migrants arrived.

According to The Economist, areas that saw increases of over 200% in foreign-born population between 2001 and 2014 saw a majority of voters back leave in 94% of cases. The Economist concluded 'High numbers of migrants don't bother Britons; high rates of change do.' Consistent with that notion, research suggests that areas that saw significant influx of migration from Eastern Europe following the accession of 12 mainly Eastern European countries to the European Union in 2004 saw significant growth in support for the UK Independence Party and more likely to vote to leave the European Union.

So please note the negative attitudes towards migration were largely initially fueled by the sudden arrival of large numbers of white Christian migrants. The seeds of Brexit were sown by Eastern European migrants, not by migrants from outside the EU. Ironically, since Brexit, most migrants to the UK are now from outside the EU, particularly the Indian subcontinent and parts of Asia.

While true, this is irrelevant. The immigration issues today driving the shift right are not about Eastern Europeans.

It's not really about non-Eastern Europeans in some of these countries either. The article refers to a social influencer in Portugal.
You may be aware Portugal has one of the most severe housing and cost of living crises in Europe due to foreign investment in real estate, over-tourism, and the advent of the digital nomad (there are over 15,000 in Lisbon). Life is miserable for Portuguese who can barely afford to rent flat and houses if they can indeed find them. Once upon a time, young Portuguese (who almost all speak English) would move to London to spread their wings and look for work. This is no longer available to them.

People who are unhappy look for people to blame. It's definitely not non-white immigrants who are driving up the costs of living.

Again, This is misleading, if not explicitly false. High costs of housing are a result of several different factors, such as policies which are effectively subsidies and drive up prices. However, additional demand caused by uncontrolled migration is also a factor.

Wrong.

Portugal has in fact been overrun with foreigners buying multiple properties primarily for investment purposes.

Porto has lost its local charm because the bulk of the tourist area is owned by Asians and Europeans who rent the properties through Airbnb, etc. Locals are doubled or tripled up or forced out of the area. And it’s not just Porto.

And it’s not just Portugal.

Everyone should recognize the role they play in displacing locals and driving up housing costs when you rent an Airbnb. And everyone should realize that housing markets are quickly skewed when foreign nationals can snap up real estate.

Wrong. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of supply and demand? The cause of housing shortages across Europe is multi-factorial and suggesting it is only due to rich foreigners in Lisbon is a lie.

https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86571/1/sercdp0223.pdf

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tent-dwelling-migrants-join-protest-over-portugals-housing-prices-2023-09-30/

PP’s post didn’t say it wasn’t due to supply and demand or that it wasn’t multi-factorial. Obviously foreign buyers drive up demand and transitioning rental properties to Airbnb reduces supply. One of the articles you linked explicitly states it’s partly due to “gentrification and record tourism.”

PP explicitly said it was not multi factorial.

I certainly didn’t mean that.

But I sense you are perhaps defensive since I hit a nerve? Are you a regular Airbnb user? I’m baffled by how many public interest/social justice activists I know IRL who get really defensive when I point out the negative impact of airbnbs and the overall commoditization of housing. It’s not good. And it’s real, not just a perception.

I personally have never used airbnb in my life. I used vrbo once in 2015.

This is a thread about trends in European politics. You explicitly denied that housing problems are multi-factorial (which is a total falsehood) to pontificate about the perils of airbnb specifically in Lisbon, which no one challenged.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

"Transing?" Do you hear yourself?
Recognizing that trans people are humans is not "transing" anything. Not to you, your kids, your family.

Your fearmongering is revolting.

DP but the person you're talking to probably agrees that trans people are humans. Yet, when Dave Chappell said that he believes that biological sex is a fact, and that trans people are having a human experience of being unsettled with their biological sex, this was labeled hate speech. So I think the issue is that its not enough to agree that trans people are humans deserving of respect and empathy. You must also agree that sex is a feeling vs a biological state of being, AND that the appropriate remedy is medical intervention.

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Anonymous wrote:No young people are smarter than they are given credit for, if not for the indoctrination in American schools we would be seeing it here as well.

My DC’s HS Government teacher in 2021 was an open Trump supporter—she tried to both sides the Jan.6 events, among other things. She regularly posted anti-Biden content on her social media, which was easily found by her students since she used her actual name.

Is that the kind of indoctrination you’re talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

You have clearly do not understand the situation in Europe if you think the liberals are encouraging the importation of poverty and diversity.

Freedom of movement was established under the EU to encourage flexible and mobile labour markets. It was in fact driven by free market economics. This means that any citizen of an EU country has the right to live and work in another country. It predictably resulted in a large movement of migrants from poorer countries to wealthier countries upon enlargement of the EU to include Eastern European countries.

Opposition to migrants in the UK largely sprung from the fairly rapid arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans, particularly Poles, in the UK which led to a perception that cheap labour was undercutting the wages and working conditions of locals. The reality was Eastern European workers were more easily exploited and generally were prepared to work for less money. This is somewhat true. Note that these new arrivals were largely white and Christian. In some small towns, changes happened very rapidly as large numbers of migrants arrived.

According to The Economist, areas that saw increases of over 200% in foreign-born population between 2001 and 2014 saw a majority of voters back leave in 94% of cases. The Economist concluded 'High numbers of migrants don't bother Britons; high rates of change do.' Consistent with that notion, research suggests that areas that saw significant influx of migration from Eastern Europe following the accession of 12 mainly Eastern European countries to the European Union in 2004 saw significant growth in support for the UK Independence Party and more likely to vote to leave the European Union.

So please note the negative attitudes towards migration were largely initially fueled by the sudden arrival of large numbers of white Christian migrants. The seeds of Brexit were sown by Eastern European migrants, not by migrants from outside the EU. Ironically, since Brexit, most migrants to the UK are now from outside the EU, particularly the Indian subcontinent and parts of Asia.

While true, this is irrelevant. The immigration issues today driving the shift right are not about Eastern Europeans.

It's not really about non-Eastern Europeans in some of these countries either. The article refers to a social influencer in Portugal.
You may be aware Portugal has one of the most severe housing and cost of living crises in Europe due to foreign investment in real estate, over-tourism, and the advent of the digital nomad (there are over 15,000 in Lisbon). Life is miserable for Portuguese who can barely afford to rent flat and houses if they can indeed find them. Once upon a time, young Portuguese (who almost all speak English) would move to London to spread their wings and look for work. This is no longer available to them.

People who are unhappy look for people to blame. It's definitely not non-white immigrants who are driving up the costs of living.

Again, This is misleading, if not explicitly false. High costs of housing are a result of several different factors, such as policies which are effectively subsidies and drive up prices. However, additional demand caused by uncontrolled migration is also a factor.

Wrong.

Portugal has in fact been overrun with foreigners buying multiple properties primarily for investment purposes.

Porto has lost its local charm because the bulk of the tourist area is owned by Asians and Europeans who rent the properties through Airbnb, etc. Locals are doubled or tripled up or forced out of the area. And it’s not just Porto.

And it’s not just Portugal.

Everyone should recognize the role they play in displacing locals and driving up housing costs when you rent an Airbnb. And everyone should realize that housing markets are quickly skewed when foreign nationals can snap up real estate.

Wrong. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of supply and demand? The cause of housing shortages across Europe is multi-factorial and suggesting it is only due to rich foreigners in Lisbon is a lie.

https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86571/1/sercdp0223.pdf

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tent-dwelling-migrants-join-protest-over-portugals-housing-prices-2023-09-30/

PP’s post didn’t say it wasn’t due to supply and demand or that it wasn’t multi-factorial. Obviously foreign buyers drive up demand and transitioning rental properties to Airbnb reduces supply. One of the articles you linked explicitly states it’s partly due to “gentrification and record tourism.”

PP explicitly said it was not multi factorial.

I certainly didn’t mean that.

But I sense you are perhaps defensive since I hit a nerve? Are you a regular Airbnb user? I’m baffled by how many public interest/social justice activists I know IRL who get really defensive when I point out the negative impact of airbnbs and the overall commoditization of housing. It’s not good. And it’s real, not just a perception.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re interested in this topic with regard to how it is or may play out in the US, check out people like Charlie Kirk. He is a conservative founder of Turning Point USA and regularly speaks on college campuses

Last week he was at Cal Poly and had 1200 students show up to see him. He has had similar outcomes on campuses around the country. His take on what is happening is that it is young men who are finally waking up. They see their future with things like home ownership threatened, plus culture issues like the transing of a generation.

As a mother of three boys I concur with his observation.

"Transing?" Do you hear yourself?
Recognizing that trans people are humans is not "transing" anything. Not to you, your kids, your family.

Your fearmongering is revolting.

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Anonymous wrote:Because people have wised up to neoliberal stupidity which essentially just "WhItE PpL BaD!!".

How dare Europeans desire to remain European with European identities and values. Liberal want to import and infinite amount of poverty and diversity, even though those diverse groups coming in have completely antagonistic social and religious values as the countries they're flooding into. People have had their limits with immigration and liberals' kumbaya vision for the world that is pure lunacy.

You have clearly do not understand the situation in Europe if you think the liberals are encouraging the importation of poverty and diversity.

Freedom of movement was established under the EU to encourage flexible and mobile labour markets. It was in fact driven by free market economics. This means that any citizen of an EU country has the right to live and work in another country. It predictably resulted in a large movement of migrants from poorer countries to wealthier countries upon enlargement of the EU to include Eastern European countries.

Opposition to migrants in the UK largely sprung from the fairly rapid arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans, particularly Poles, in the UK which led to a perception that cheap labour was undercutting the wages and working conditions of locals. The reality was Eastern European workers were more easily exploited and generally were prepared to work for less money. This is somewhat true. Note that these new arrivals were largely white and Christian. In some small towns, changes happened very rapidly as large numbers of migrants arrived.

According to The Economist, areas that saw increases of over 200% in foreign-born population between 2001 and 2014 saw a majority of voters back leave in 94% of cases. The Economist concluded 'High numbers of migrants don't bother Britons; high rates of change do.' Consistent with that notion, research suggests that areas that saw significant influx of migration from Eastern Europe following the accession of 12 mainly Eastern European countries to the European Union in 2004 saw significant growth in support for the UK Independence Party and more likely to vote to leave the European Union.

So please note the negative attitudes towards migration were largely initially fueled by the sudden arrival of large numbers of white Christian migrants. The seeds of Brexit were sown by Eastern European migrants, not by migrants from outside the EU. Ironically, since Brexit, most migrants to the UK are now from outside the EU, particularly the Indian subcontinent and parts of Asia.

While true, this is irrelevant. The immigration issues today driving the shift right are not about Eastern Europeans.

It's not really about non-Eastern Europeans in some of these countries either. The article refers to a social influencer in Portugal.
You may be aware Portugal has one of the most severe housing and cost of living crises in Europe due to foreign investment in real estate, over-tourism, and the advent of the digital nomad (there are over 15,000 in Lisbon). Life is miserable for Portuguese who can barely afford to rent flat and houses if they can indeed find them. Once upon a time, young Portuguese (who almost all speak English) would move to London to spread their wings and look for work. This is no longer available to them.

People who are unhappy look for people to blame. It's definitely not non-white immigrants who are driving up the costs of living.

Again, This is misleading, if not explicitly false. High costs of housing are a result of several different factors, such as policies which are effectively subsidies and drive up prices. However, additional demand caused by uncontrolled migration is also a factor.

Wrong.

Portugal has in fact been overrun with foreigners buying multiple properties primarily for investment purposes.

Porto has lost its local charm because the bulk of the tourist area is owned by Asians and Europeans who rent the properties through Airbnb, etc. Locals are doubled or tripled up or forced out of the area. And it’s not just Porto.

And it’s not just Portugal.

Everyone should recognize the role they play in displacing locals and driving up housing costs when you rent an Airbnb. And everyone should realize that housing markets are quickly skewed when foreign nationals can snap up real estate.

Wrong. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of supply and demand? The cause of housing shortages across Europe is multi-factorial and suggesting it is only due to rich foreigners in Lisbon is a lie.

https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/86571/1/sercdp0223.pdf

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tent-dwelling-migrants-join-protest-over-portugals-housing-prices-2023-09-30/

PP’s post didn’t say it wasn’t due to supply and demand or that it wasn’t multi-factorial. Obviously foreign buyers drive up demand and transitioning rental properties to Airbnb reduces supply. One of the articles you linked explicitly states it’s partly due to “gentrification and record tourism.”

PP explicitly said it was not multi factorial.

I certainly didn’t mean that.

But I sense you are perhaps defensive since I hit a nerve? Are you a regular Airbnb user? I’m baffled by how many public interest/social justice activists I know IRL who get really defensive when I point out the negative impact of airbnbs and the overall commoditization of housing. It’s not good. And it’s real, not just a perception.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/07/04/are-short-term-rentals-the-cause-of-portos-housing-crisis

Recent article discussing Porto’s housing crisis. Long story short: airbnbs and foreign nationals.

Prompted a big protest in 2023. The housing crisis is real, not imagined.

PS - I was there in 2019 and the locals were very vocal about the crisis even then.

Fwiw, I don’t think foreign nationals should be able to own real estate. If they must, then there should be heavy front-end fees (like Grand Cayman has/had? Upwards of $1M to have the privilege of buying real estate in the country.

And I don’t think people should be able to own countless properties…even citizens. One primary residence, one vacation property, and perhaps a third. That’s it. We have citizens and foreigners who own dozens upon dozens of properties not to mention corporations (both foreign and domestic). It’s a problem.