Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 14:14     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
UVA is a half tier better academically but UF is cheaper and better student experience. The question to OP is how much is that half tier worth to you and kid. I don’t buy the UF will overtake UVA in ranking anytime soon. But I also agree that school pride at UF is unrivaled. For me, because I have money, UVA. But if not, UF.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 14:11     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
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Anonymous wrote:I am in FL...UF is the holy grail. Very highly ranked, and I assume your dc qualifies for Bright Futures? This is what everyone in Florida wants!


We don't live in FL, so bright futures isn't a thing for us.

I've noticed how FL residents think highly of UF.


You said UF in state?


Grandparent waiver. And it's not even secured yet, so this is a little hypothetical.


Op, if you don’t already have it, you won’t get it. It is entirely first come, first served. Most apply when they submit their college applications.



This. Sorry OP, but this isn't even a hypothetical. UF will be OOS tuition too.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 14:05     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
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Anonymous wrote:On college confidential, several people mentioned getting into Michigan but not UF. UF is definitely becoming more selective.


UF is known for being quirky with oos admissions, it often doesn’t take the highest stat students.


Selective doesn’t equal better. Almost all schools are becoming more selective. Tennessee admitted 25% OOS this year, and you don’t hear people comparing it to UVA.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 14:01     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
Anonymous wrote:On college confidential, several people mentioned getting into Michigan but not UF. UF is definitely becoming more selective.


UF is known for being quirky with oos admissions, it often doesn’t take the highest stat students.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:50     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
On college confidential, several people mentioned getting into Michigan but not UF. UF is definitely becoming more selective.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:43     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in here arguing over Michigan and UVA and UF isn’t even part of the conversation, because no one would choose UF over either of these schools except Florida residents!


+1, from a FL resident.

That said, 100% free ride to UF is an awfully nice backup plan if DC doesn't get accepted to T10 private.

Wouldn't pay UVA or UM OOS tuition vs. UF free ride.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:36     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
Everyone is in here arguing over Michigan and UVA and UF isn’t even part of the conversation, because no one would choose UF over either of these schools except Florida residents!
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:31     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
Anonymous wrote:Rhodes Scolarships have been around for 120 years. Having seventy or so of them after that amount of time is nice, but it’s such a minuscule amount of graduates that it really means very little in the overall prestige of a school. Since UVA is the #5 public university now and dropping, it further reflects on that fact.

Amen!
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:25     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
Rhodes Scolarships have been around for 120 years. Having seventy or so of them after that amount of time is nice, but it’s such a minuscule amount of graduates that it really means very little in the overall prestige of a school. Since UVA is the #5 public university now and dropping, it further reflects on that fact.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:21     Subject: Re:UVA OOS vs UF in-state
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Anonymous wrote:As a hiring manager, I did not find UVA particularly impressive. Maybe it's a big deal in Virginia.

I'm an alum of UF and would not be "impressed" by the school, yet I would know from personal experience that the education is high quality.

I'd find Michigan impressive.


Kind of weird - not too much really separates Michigan from UVA. UVA, in fact, has higher average SAT scores (from most sources I found) if that matters to you.



The differences in SAT scores of incoming freshmen are negligible. The differences in academic strengths are not. Michigan has across the board academic excellence. UVA does not. Outside of business and a few majors like English, I rarely see UVA equalling or besting Michigan in any comparably offered discipline.



And yet the US Department of Ed disagrees based upon facts:

Michigan vs. UVA Graduation Outcomes Comparison

Which is better, Michigan or UVA? Graduation rate, salary and amount of student loan debt are indicators of a college which offers better outcomes for its graduates. Compare the following outcomes facts between UVA and Michigan.

The graduation rate at UVA is higher than University of Michigan (94% vs. 90%)

Graduates from University of Virginia Main Campus earn on average $2,800 more per year than Michigan graduates after ten years. ($77,200 vs. $74,400)

University of Virginia Main Campus students graduate with a $603 lower median federal student loan debt than Michigan graduates. ($19,500 vs. $20,103)

UVA graduates are paying $6 less per month on federal student loans than Michigan graduates. ($201 vs. $207)

More UVA graduates are actively paying back their federal student loan debt than former Michigan students, three years after graduation. (86% vs. 78%)

Sources: U.S. Department of Education https://nces.ed.gov IPEDS and College Scorecard https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/



What facts disprove that Michigan has stronger academics departments?
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:16     Subject: Re:UVA OOS vs UF in-state
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Anonymous wrote:As a hiring manager, I did not find UVA particularly impressive. Maybe it's a big deal in Virginia.

I'm an alum of UF and would not be "impressed" by the school, yet I would know from personal experience that the education is high quality.

I'd find Michigan impressive.


Kind of weird - not too much really separates Michigan from UVA. UVA, in fact, has higher average SAT scores (from most sources I found) if that matters to you.



The differences in SAT scores of incoming freshmen are negligible. The differences in academic strengths are not. Michigan has across the board academic excellence. UVA does not. Outside of business and a few majors like English, I rarely see UVA equalling or besting Michigan in any comparably offered discipline.



HAHA. If that were true U of Michigan would have many more Rhodes Scholars (especially due to its size!) than UVA. UVA has 56. Michigan has 32. From College vine: https://www.collegevine.com/faq/21034/michigan-vs-uva-which-school-should-i-pick#:~:text=For%20instance%2C%20Michigan%20is%20known,arts%2C%20government%2C%20and%20economics.



Michigan doesn’t have a dedicated office to Rhodes Scholarships like UVA. Instead, they have multiple graduates who have become Nobel Prize Winners. You might not be aware of those because UVA has produced exactly ZERO Nobel Prize winning graduates since its inception. century. Michigan is traditionally near the top for public schools with Fulbright Scholarships. The school concentrates more on those because it provides many more opportunities for students than just maybe one a year for the Rhodes from a school like UVA.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:06     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
Do well at UF and go to good grad school. Use the saved $$ for grad school. NO brainer.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:05     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
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Anonymous wrote:Just imagine how much better your kids life would be if you gave them that extra 240k for a downpayment instead of wasting it on a school that’s ranked almost the same.

We aren’t talking about UVA vs Princeton, these are two almost identical schools. Similar “preppy southern” vibes at both too


Exactly! 1000% go to Florida! Honestly, I think a lot of people in the north is finally realizing and/or admitting that UF is a specular school- great education, great price ( for in state and out of state - though definitely cheap for in state), and very prestigious. Every year, the school gets more competitive. Also, if you got into Honor's even better. But even without Honors, it is definitely worth it


I disagree, its reputation has started to decline since Sasse was named president.


I know that there are posters here who are overly hostile toward Red State schools, but the problem with Florida is that Florida is really at war with its state universities. Faculty members posting on message boards sound really angry and demoralized.

I’d want to tour UF and talk to faculty members in private about what they think before I chose it over UVa.

And maybe I’d rather go to an even more conservative, lower-ranked school that was at peace with its state.


This plus 1000
No way I would let my child go to UF if it was free. Many red states I would sit on my hands and leave it up to my child or money would come into the discussion. Not FL.


If politics are that much a part of your personal calculus, then sure, don’t consider anything in a red state, I guess.

Seems weird to base your decisions on factors mostly or entirely unrelated to your student’s academic area of interest, but I understand that politics are a daily obsession for many people.


You are not very good at reading. I said other red states it would be up to my child what they wanted, FL is a whole different ballgame in terms of its attack on free thought and higher education.

I understand if you cannot see the nuance there.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:04     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
UF Please. Save the $$. It's a great school. Not worth paying the extra for UVA.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 12:24     Subject: UVA OOS vs UF in-state
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Anonymous wrote:Just imagine how much better your kids life would be if you gave them that extra 240k for a downpayment instead of wasting it on a school that’s ranked almost the same.

We aren’t talking about UVA vs Princeton, these are two almost identical schools. Similar “preppy southern” vibes at both too


Exactly! 1000% go to Florida! Honestly, I think a lot of people in the north is finally realizing and/or admitting that UF is a specular school- great education, great price ( for in state and out of state - though definitely cheap for in state), and very prestigious. Every year, the school gets more competitive. Also, if you got into Honor's even better. But even without Honors, it is definitely worth it


I disagree, its reputation has started to decline since Sasse was named president.


I know that there are posters here who are overly hostile toward Red State schools, but the problem with Florida is that Florida is really at war with its state universities. Faculty members posting on message boards sound really angry and demoralized.

I’d want to tour UF and talk to faculty members in private about what they think before I chose it over UVa.

And maybe I’d rather go to an even more conservative, lower-ranked school that was at peace with its state.


This plus 1000
No way I would let my child go to UF if it was free. Many red states I would sit on my hands and leave it up to my child or money would come into the discussion. Not FL.


If politics are that much a part of your personal calculus, then sure, don’t consider anything in a red state, I guess.

Seems weird to base your decisions on factors mostly or entirely unrelated to your student’s academic area of interest, but I understand that politics are a daily obsession for many people.


I’m going to start by saying my own kid goes to a private college in North Carolina, and I generally have no issue with my kids applying to schools outside the so-called liberal bubble. The difference with Florida is that DeSantis and the Republican legislature has been actively inserting themselves into day to day public college administration issues.