Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 19:10     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


Then you don't understand anything.

The money in aid goes from the US treasury to US defense contractors to build more arms that go into the US depot. The current arms in the US depot that are set to expire for non-use, will be sent to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to use against the Russians. There is no "money transfer" that you infer, that happens where Putin would get a cut.


I don’t know if you’re joking or serious . Military aid is only a sector of foreign aid. There’s also humanitarian aid. Arms are also currency in the same way drugs are. Better than cash and can be sold to anybody wanting arms like Palestinians for example. Zelensky and Putin are not enemies . I stand by this


Do you have any, you know, proof?
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 18:54     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain in a non partisan way the Republican talking points on why they want to defund the war in Ukraine and not Israel?


Hamas has connections to many other terrorist organizations who hate the US (and they hate us, too) and we’re not big fans of Islamic terrorists.
Ukraine needs to be more transparent with their $ and also we’re bored of them.


Wrong. Evangelistic Christians though declining still have a large influence on republican politicians. Israel is one of their top issues for some reason. The Jewish vote is irrelevant because it is so small and in noncontested states.

The republicans and conservatives hate Ukrainians because they did not manufacture fake propaganda on Hunter. Now the argument used against the Ukraine funding(corruption, too much money, Ukraine is not a real country, etc) have started to be applied to Israel. I do not think Israel’s funding is as safe as people think.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 18:30     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


Then you don't understand anything.

The money in aid goes from the US treasury to US defense contractors to build more arms that go into the US depot. The current arms in the US depot that are set to expire for non-use, will be sent to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to use against the Russians. There is no "money transfer" that you infer, that happens where Putin would get a cut.


So much of our voters do not understand this! Who will educate them? Asking sincerely.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 18:22     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Another 100 billion.

Add to this years 2 trillion debt. Are these people children ?
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 18:01     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Why not take the money out of the spending on illegal aliens, and EV subsidies?
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 17:56     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain in a non partisan way the Republican talking points on why they want to defund the war in Ukraine and not Israel?


Hamas has connections to many other terrorist organizations who hate the US (and they hate us, too) and we’re not big fans of Islamic terrorists.
Ukraine needs to be more transparent with their $ and also we’re bored of them.


Speak for yourself. I admire and respect Ukraine’s gutsy and continued defense of its freedom and separate national cultural identity from Russia.

Putin (and Iran) cultivated, trained and Hamas over 17 years. The Hamas terrorists brandished Russian weapons.

Putin and Iran both fostering mayhem in ME for their own political agendas (Putin to distract from his illegal and brutal land grab in Ukraine that he is spinning as a Holy War). Trump has recently stated at one of his cult like rallies that he will let Putin do whatever it wants with NATO countries.

We have been downgraded three times as a democracy since Trump’s reign of chaos began in 2016 (Trump encouraging Russian interference in 2016 election, violent insurrection in 2020 to prevent peaceful transfer of elected government and ongoing voter restrictions based on ongoing lies that Trump did not lose fair and square) . We are now rated as a partial democracy by international observers and Trump continues to campaign on authoritarian white Christian nationalism and contrived culture war issues. This places us at heightened risk for civil unrest/ civil war.

You may not be worried about ending up as an authoritarian banana republic like Russia with no political or democratic freedoms but many of us are extremely concerned.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:38     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that people still feel that the only way to make US foreign policy is to give out as much money as possible to our "allies."

UGH.

No wonder the US is in debt to our eyeballs.

I get it - I agree that you gotta help your friends. I disagree we need to do anything more to help Israel. First off, they got the money. And if they don't, there's plenty of rich Jews that can privately fund the whole country. Second, I'm not really seeing how they are our "ally" beyond that influential and rich Jews live in the US so politically, we deem them as such. Lastly, for what they are doing to Palestine, not sure why we are funding them for genocide.

On Ukraine - I don't know. When will it be enough? Are we supporting Ukraine? Hell, no. We are just anti Putin/Russia. However, if Putin gets his way with Ukraine, I'm actually unsure how this hurts the US in ways that are unimaginable. I think that Putin truly wants Ukraine because of stupid reasons connected to nationalism v he wants to use it as his first step to achieve world domination. Seriously. I think he has bigger problems and took an unwise gamble to take Ukraine thinking it was going to be easier. But the US is funding this thing like it's our war and it really isn't. We want to beat Putin but it's not really our war.

Lastly, Taiwan. Dear God, the US has to let it go. China, unlike Russia, are not fools and do not gamble like that. China won't do a thing to Taiwan because they have big probs on the mainland. Taiwan is absolutely fine. They are prob the strongest little country in the world! They got the trade doing great, the tech/IT/econ doing well, they got their shit together culturally, politically and domestically. I really think that we need to not take care of them!

There are those who I think think by being able to shell out funds to countries makes us powerful and leverages the perspective that we are good to our friends. The actual truth is domestically, we have more and more probs that we should be throwing more and more money to resolving but we don't because it's too messy. It's easy to shell out money on the foreign policy front - it's really just money and might we are exporting. I think there was a time when that was really important but not much in these cases and the world is changing to a certain extent. There's more than 1-2 heavyweights in the world now and our "power" is not defined the same way as it used to be. The world is changing but the US is not.


We are supporting Ukraine's soverignty. It is far less expensive to do what we are doing, than to let Russia take Ukraine (because then they would take the Baltics, Poland etc etc etc)

We are supporting israel's soverignty, though I would prefer more aid and a restriction on offensive weapons. Defensive, sure.

Taiwan...don't you think China is watching our politcs saying, well if they aren't going to defend Ukraine, then they won't defend taiwan either?



Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The Baltics are members of NATO.

In any conventional conflict, NATO would crush Russia in less than two weeks.

Taiwan is a different issue.

We will support Ukraine but not indefinitely. If they can't defeat Russia, they can't defeat Russia.


Two years ago NATO might have been able to swat Russia around, but that's not the case any more. NATO committed far more to the Ukrainian conflict than people want to admit, and what is left is a little concerning. The conflict also exposed just how badly decayed the "arsenal of democracy" has become. NATO can not match Russian manufacturing of arms. In fact NATO may not be able to match NK's production.

The Russian army is now far more formidable than it was two years ago, while ours continues to shrink. We seem to lose a copter or plane every day, and the British can't get either of their carriers sea-worthy. A hot war with Russia would be an absolute slog at this point. We would probably need a draft and a war-time economy to win it. It would not be a fun time.



This is absolutely delusional.

NATO and the US does not do trench warfare. Or artillery duels that last for years.

The West does air power.

There is nothing in the Russian arsenal that can stop F-22s, F-35s, B-1s and B-2s. Not to mention cruise missiles. And once air defense is taken care of, it's carnage time. Everything from old timey B-52s, which can level a city in a minute, to Apaches, which can provide close air support.

It literally would take NATO and the US two weeks to obliterate what remains of Russian forces.

The problem is that Ukraine does not have those weapons. It's a horrible war. It's WWI with drones. The vast majority of casualties are due to artillery, which would never happen in any NATO engagement.

Ukraine needs ammo, which Republicans are denying them. All NATO countries were unprepared for a war where 20,000 shells are fired each and every day. It's not how NATO fights. So it's definitely a strain.

But Ukraine is in trouble now because of the the ammo shortage. Europe has finally ramped up production to 24/7. But in the meantime, only the US has the resources to sustain Ukraine. And if Russia does take Ukraine, it will be the Baltics next. NATO countries. Russia is an imperial country. They will go there.

NATO would deal with that pretty quickly, but it's best to avoid direct confrontation with a nuclear adversary.

Supporting Ukraine - giving them the ammo - is the only way to keep the US and NATO out of a much, much more serious engagement.

Profoundly disappointed with the idiocy of Mike Johnson and Republicans.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:37     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Why are we giving money to Israel and Taiwan. Both countries have plenty of money.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:34     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain in a non partisan way the Republican talking points on why they want to defund the war in Ukraine and not Israel?


Hamas has connections to many other terrorist organizations who hate the US (and they hate us, too) and we’re not big fans of Islamic terrorists.
Ukraine needs to be more transparent with their $ and also we’re bored of them.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:25     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


Progaganda bot or insane poster? We’ll never know.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:08     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


We get relative global peace so people can travel the world and experience different cultures, we get stability that creates a leisure class to probe the arts and sciences and we get global markets that benefit US companies and workers.

Global peace, what planet are you on ?

We are on a fight on European and Middle Eastern land right now. We are fighting Iranians, Russians, and Chinese. This president is dangerous and has us closer to WW3 than anybody ever before. He does not know how to negotiate or maneuver. Time for him to retire. It’s elder abuse to elect him President
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:06     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


Then you don't understand anything.

The money in aid goes from the US treasury to US defense contractors to build more arms that go into the US depot. The current arms in the US depot that are set to expire for non-use, will be sent to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to use against the Russians. There is no "money transfer" that you infer, that happens where Putin would get a cut.


I don’t know if you’re joking or serious . Military aid is only a sector of foreign aid. There’s also humanitarian aid. Arms are also currency in the same way drugs are. Better than cash and can be sold to anybody wanting arms like Palestinians for example. Zelensky and Putin are not enemies . I stand by this
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 16:05     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 15:54     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


We get relative global peace so people can travel the world and experience different cultures, we get stability that creates a leisure class to probe the arts and sciences and we get global markets that benefit US companies and workers.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 15:53     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Zelensky. If you ask me, I think he and Putin are in on this together so Putin can get a cut of the US money to Ukraine to fund this “war”.

That’s what I believe. We got fooled by Pakistanis the same way with “counterterrorism” funds . Let’s not get started with Israel.

The whole world knows we are foolish. We just give give give and get nothing in return but Europeans making fun of us when he have to pay for their defense . Trump is right about America first . Our country is in squalor and the migrants and foreign nations are not our first responsibility


Then you don't understand anything.

The money in aid goes from the US treasury to US defense contractors to build more arms that go into the US depot. The current arms in the US depot that are set to expire for non-use, will be sent to Ukraine for the Ukrainians to use against the Russians. There is no "money transfer" that you infer, that happens where Putin would get a cut.