Anonymous wrote:I really think this is the biggest reason crime has skyrocketed in DC while declining elsewhere. We’ve neutered police and sent an innocent officer to jail because a criminal can’t drive. Innocent people have died as a result.

Anonymous wrote:The criminal is a risk. Balance that

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

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so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

AND even if they didn’t suspect he was on his way to shoot someone, they knew he was driving a scooter while intoxicated on the sidewalk.

The police are not, and should not be, allowed to pursue people for driving a scooter on the sidewalk. Police pursuits are dangerous, in fact often deadly, to people who have no involvement.

I’m not sure this is true. The balance between letting a reckless driver go and ensuring the pursuit is safe strikes me as a question of policing techniques and not something that should be legislated.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

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so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

AND even if they didn’t suspect he was on his way to shoot someone, they knew he was driving a scooter while intoxicated on the sidewalk.

The police are not, and should not be, allowed to pursue people for driving a scooter on the sidewalk. Police pursuits are dangerous, in fact often deadly, to people who have no involvement.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

AND even if they didn’t suspect he was on his way to shoot someone, they knew he was driving a scooter while intoxicated on the sidewalk.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

Anonymous wrote:Honest question for all of the folks saying that this prosecution and verdict are just:

Can you point us to any other murder case anywhere in the entire country where there’s never been physical contact in a chase?

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

Lawfully. Don't you?

Define lawful. For me chasing an armed criminal is lawful. Putting carjackers in jail is lawful. Lying to criminals to have them self incriminate them in jail is lawful. The MPD has decent policies, but the new police bill must be repealed.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

Lawfully. Don't you?