Anonymous
02/12/2024 16:46
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Looking for thoughts on which gives the most bang for the buck. We are in state for UVA.
I love UMD for things like CS or engineering, but for business especially in state UVA is your best bet.
Anonymous
02/12/2024 16:38
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).
That is a complete crock of s**t and you know it. USNews, WSJ, Peak Framework (this ranking just literally tracks how many college undergraduates are hired by investment banks and P/E firms).
Poets & Quants is the only one to rank UVA as high as it does...which is why you think it is the only one that matters. It is also the most bizarre as PP has mentioned since it has none of the UC schools and plenty of other schools that absolutely have well-respected business programs.
If Haas isn’t listed, it’s worthless.
P&Q isn't worthless because it provides information people want to see unlike other sources. Haas doesn't provide the information to P&Q. That is why they are not included.
The information may be good, but the rankings are fairly useless if lots of schools (including to schools) are not included in the rankings.
Anonymous
02/12/2024 16:28
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).
That is a complete crock of s**t and you know it. USNews, WSJ, Peak Framework (this ranking just literally tracks how many college undergraduates are hired by investment banks and P/E firms).
Poets & Quants is the only one to rank UVA as high as it does...which is why you think it is the only one that matters. It is also the most bizarre as PP has mentioned since it has none of the UC schools and plenty of other schools that absolutely have well-respected business programs.
If Haas isn’t listed, it’s worthless.
P&Q isn't worthless because it provides information people want to see unlike other sources. Haas doesn't provide the information to P&Q. That is why they are not included.
dp.. exactly. That's why the list isn't really that useful. It's an incomplete list.
Anonymous
02/12/2024 16:05
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).
That is a complete crock of s**t and you know it. USNews, WSJ, Peak Framework (this ranking just literally tracks how many college undergraduates are hired by investment banks and P/E firms).
Poets & Quants is the only one to rank UVA as high as it does...which is why you think it is the only one that matters. It is also the most bizarre as PP has mentioned since it has none of the UC schools and plenty of other schools that absolutely have well-respected business programs.
If Haas isn’t listed, it’s worthless.
P&Q isn't worthless because it provides information people want to see unlike other sources. Haas doesn't provide the information to P&Q. That is why they are not included.
Anonymous
02/12/2024 15:59
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Not all schools respond to P&Q questionnaire, that's the reason they are not on the list
Anonymous
02/12/2024 15:39
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.
P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.
That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.
P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.
I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?
+100
Anonymous
02/12/2024 14:48
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).
That is a complete crock of s**t and you know it. USNews, WSJ, Peak Framework (this ranking just literally tracks how many college undergraduates are hired by investment banks and P/E firms).
Poets & Quants is the only one to rank UVA as high as it does...which is why you think it is the only one that matters. It is also the most bizarre as PP has mentioned since it has none of the UC schools and plenty of other schools that absolutely have well-respected business programs.
If Haas isn’t listed, it’s worthless.
Anonymous
02/12/2024 14:37
Subject: Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.
P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.
That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.
P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.
I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?
+1 yea that ranking looks suspect to me. It does rely on surveys. If the school doesn't submit the survey, then they don't list it.
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/the-methodology-behind-pqs-2023-undergraduate-b-school-rankings/
we included all schools that submitted school surveys. In previous year’s we’ve not included schools that failed to meet a minimum 10% alumni response rate. Of the 92 schools ranked this year, 80 met the minimum 10% response rate, three less than last year, our second-highest ever. In the past, schools that did not meet the minimum response rate did not have any alumni data included, which significantly lowered their ranking. To help mitigate those fluctuations and reward schools for the alumni data they were able to gather, we included last year’s alumni data for all schools that met the minimum response rate and we included this year’s data on a sliding scale based on response rates. For example, if a school had a 10% or higher response rate, it got the full amount of its alumni data. But if a school had a 9% response rate, it’d only get 90% of its alumni data.
There is no perfect ranking, to be sure, so you can poke holes at any of them.
Even so, GAtech, a fine school that my DC applied to for CS, wouldn't be one I would pay oos for undergrad in business, and I have an undergrad in business.
It isn't perfect, but it is about the only source for real relevant information on undergraduate business.
US News rankings of business programs at least past the sniff test. P&Q does not.
US News doesn't pass the sniff test. If it did, it would have information people really want like salaries and placement. It does not.
sure bud