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Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

NP. It's not really a "total crapshoot" for those reaches. You have to have certain stats AND have something or several things that really appeal to the school. If shecwas rejected ed from UVA, it's unlikely that she has some outstanding talent or unique perspective or amazing essays that would help her stand out in her reach pool. The caviat would be if she rocked her supplemental essays, perhaps. Miracles can happen, but some of these seem like a waste of app fee. Don't let her pin any hopes on the reaches, OP.

Ivies and some other top 20 schools require a lot more in their applications. 4-5 supplemental essay questions; short answers, interview requirements, etc.

UVA is hard to stand out with just one additional short diversity/background essay.

As much of a chore it was at first for him, his best applications were those he could show much more of himself with different types of responses. It really showed his personality better.

I think that’s why some smart kids with personality stand out at those top schools vs just showing most rigorous grind work.

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Anonymous wrote:Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it.

Wrong.

Brown’s average admit GPA is 3.9 and 4.3 for weighted.

Yale and Princeton cite 3.9 as their average incoming GPA.

It’s the crazy publics—-MoCO with their 5.0 scale and some Nova schools with unlimited AP courses (which the kids then can’t score a 4 or 5 at the end of the year on the exam).

Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

Anonymous wrote:Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

NP. It's not really a "total crapshoot" for those reaches. You have to have certain stats AND have something or several things that really appeal to the school. If shecwas rejected ed from UVA, it's unlikely that she has some outstanding talent or unique perspective or amazing essays that would help her stand out in her reach pool. The caviat would be if she rocked her supplemental essays, perhaps. Miracles can happen, but some of these seem like a waste of app fee. Don't let her pin any hopes on the reaches, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

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Anonymous wrote:Her GPA was too low for UVA. I assume she’s not in the top 5%.

I would think those reaches are truly reaches.

I don’t think the GPA is the issue. My guess is that the essay and ECs didn’t showcase her values, traits and leadership. The gpa and SAT will get her through the first hoop easily. The next hoop is the essay & ECs and finally fit.

As another poster said, she’ll have plenty of options.

GPA would be an issue at most FCPS high schools--4.4+ seems to be where the line is drawn on Naviance at our 'middle of the road' high school. Only a small handful of kids accepted with GPAs under that and hundreds rejected. High SATs don't seem to make that much of a difference under that GPA.

My son with a 4.3, 1580 GPA got in EA last year. I agree that essays, ECs, and recommendations likely helped him a great deal. He's now an Echols Scholar there.

Was he in FCPS?

My kid is in LCPS but there is a clear cut off of about 4.4 on the GPA To have a chance. LCPS also weights honors .5 and AP/DE 1.0 so a 4.3 is pretty low all things considered. My DS attends and had a 4.6 and was not Echols so I assume your DS 4.3 was not in FCPS/LCPS.

APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

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Anonymous wrote: APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

Unofficially, Echols/Rodman is a way for UVa to try to get a particular top student to matriculate at UVa, one who they really want and who they think might otherwise matriculate at some other school. Yes, essays and ECs are a big part of it, but the really crucial thing is whether they think the person otherwise would matriculate elsewhere.

Jefferson Scholars are a completely different animal, with full tuition/fees/housing/etc., but again the Jefferson Scholars are being used by UVa to attract top students who might otherwise matriculate elsewhere.

That makes sense. He was choosing between UVA and a Top 5 school and Echols and the cost did help sway him/us. Not for the prestige so much, but for getting out of the 1st year class requirements.

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Anonymous wrote: APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

Unofficially, Echols/Rodman is a way for UVa to try to get a particular top student to matriculate at UVa, one who they really want and who they think might otherwise matriculate at some other school. Yes, essays and ECs are a big part of it, but the really crucial thing is whether they think the person otherwise would matriculate elsewhere.

Jefferson Scholars are a completely different animal, with full tuition/fees/housing/etc., but again the Jefferson Scholars are being used by UVa to attract top students who might otherwise matriculate elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Just trying to keep dd hopes up
She is so bummed

FCPS
Unhooked
4.3 gpa ( 12 ap and de)
1500 sat
Varsity athlete
Decent extra curriculars
Full pay if it makes any diff

Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

If full pay, you missed a bunch of other schools….
Colgate
Wake
Emory
Wash U
Tulane

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll be honest, I feel you like you don’t have a good list. She will get into none of the Ivies. She may get into VT. Sounds like she would be disappointed to attend her safeties. Unless she’s happy to attend her targets (GW, Pitt, etc), I would throw in a few other apps.

I disagree - this is a good list! It has some schools in each category - safety/fit/reach. You never know - she may get into one of the reaches.. it's a total crapshoot. Does she have the appetite for more applications? Maybe add a few more.. Delaware? I bet she'll get into VA Tech. Good luck, and don't despair... who cares about UVA. She'll go somewhere that's perfect for her!

Anonymous wrote:Just trying to keep dd hopes up
She is so bummed

FCPS
Unhooked
4.3 gpa ( 12 ap and de)
1500 sat
Varsity athlete
Decent extra curriculars
Full pay if it makes any diff

Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

Anonymous wrote: APS. Echols is not based on GPA though - it's based on essays, ECs, etc. So my point about that was there was something in those that caught UVA's eye.

Anonymous wrote:Other schools applied:
Georgetown (reach)
Tech (target??)
Penn state (target)
Pitt (safety )
Brown (reach)
Penn (reach)
George washington(target)
Mason (safety)
Vcu(safety)

Weird list and here is why I say it ~ so you can afford Georgetown full pay. Honestly? For sure? That an GW. Really? But you limited her safeties to Virginia schools. I don't get it. Were you insisting on her staying close? Pitt & Penn State make it sound like it.

Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it