Anonymous
Post 01/09/2024 06:45     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think so, but I happened to live in Hoboken when that plane landed in the Hudson, and I was just on a plane with a medical emergency (they said is there a doctor on board mid flight) and before landing they came on the announcement and said an ambulance is meeting us at the gate - everyone stay seated while the person with the medical emergency gets off first. And I seriously in my head thought, I wonder if everyone will stay seated - but literally every person on the flight stayed seated and silent while the person with the issue got off.

So now I have more faith!


NP. I have been on a similar flight where someone had a medical emergency and they were taken to a waiting ambulance when we landed. We all waited, of course we did.

This was year ago though. Everything has gotten worse since the pandemic. Have people not started to recover at all yet and return to civility?


My example was from 12/28/23
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2024 06:34     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not an exact parallel - but the recent Portland plane incident shows what Americans would do in a plane emergency: remain calm, follow directions, help each other, and give hugs at the appropriate time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/01/08/boeing-alaska-airlines-flight-calm-passengers/


I was thinking the same thing. I was actually looking for this post to make a comparison with the Alaskan Airlines flight.

You can’t compare them. The Alaskan folks didn’t have to evacuate.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 21:59     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Not an exact parallel - but the recent Portland plane incident shows what Americans would do in a plane emergency: remain calm, follow directions, help each other, and give hugs at the appropriate time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/01/08/boeing-alaska-airlines-flight-calm-passengers/


I was thinking the same thing. I was actually looking for this post to make a comparison with the Alaskan Airlines flight.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 21:45     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Not an exact parallel - but the recent Portland plane incident shows what Americans would do in a plane emergency: remain calm, follow directions, help each other, and give hugs at the appropriate time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/01/08/boeing-alaska-airlines-flight-calm-passengers/
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 12:55     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:My DH's friend was on the flight that Sully landed on the Hudson. He was sitting in the very last row. He said the passengers were pretty calm and orderly, even as the plane started to fill up with water in the back. The passengers went onto the wings of the plane to be rescued.

Don't count out Americans in coming together.


That incident was just a handful of years post-9/11. Tristate folks who lived through 9/11 are a different breed.

If this crash had happened in LA, Miami, or maybe even DC I guarantee some asshats would've tried to grab their carry-on or record videos, thereby delaying the evacuation.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 12:21     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Just reading the articles about how miraculous it was that 360+ passengers were evacuated so quickly. I wonder if an flight full of American passengers would fair as well? On one hand, the plane on the hudson was a good example of people cooperating and following orders. But that was 2018. It feels like people are behaving badly on planes post-COVID. I was on a flight yesterday and was mortified by how a passenger was talking to a flight attendant. Of course, I would hope an emergency situation would bring out best in us all, but could totally see US passengers pushing and/or trying to take luggage with them, slowing down the whole process. Thoughts?

hhttps://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/asia/japan-airlines-collision-passenger-accounts-intl-hnk/index.html


No.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 11:38     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
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Anonymous wrote:It’s shocking to think that Americans would block the aisle in an evacuation to get their luggage from overhead, yet that is what they would do. Conversely other Americans are not confident or active enough to just push past. So we would have Doug from Omaha holding up the evacuation in the aisle because he MUST bring his bag, while everyone behind him just stands there looking dumb and not taking action.

I’m the FA from above. It’s not just Americans, Canadians are almost worse! Especially on Canadian-bound US-departing flights. It’s like they have something to prove. Certain Europeans tend to be pretty awful, too. Asian passengers are the most cooperative and well behaved pax.


Funny that Asians are great on planes but horrible tourists off the plane.


What a ridiculous and racist thing to say.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 10:53     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
You know I think I will be the nay sayer here. In this case the plane was on fire and had to land while aflame. That is a decent amount of time to make people scared AF. I think the issue would have been more with people trampling others.

I agree that the Japanese are uniquely great at following directions/doing things quickly and efficiently and so were set up for success here but I would hope that in most situations in a case of acute crisis like this most people would be following directions.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 10:42     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Who are the people the don't have their sh&t together, and insist on taking forever to load their however many carry ons (plural) and jackets (plural) and random sh&t??

They can wait.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 08:32     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
No, Americans would not be timely or orderly.

I think this is a good reminder to have a few things like my phone, ID, credit card and money on me.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 08:31     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s shocking to think that Americans would block the aisle in an evacuation to get their luggage from overhead, yet that is what they would do. Conversely other Americans are not confident or active enough to just push past. So we would have Doug from Omaha holding up the evacuation in the aisle because he MUST bring his bag, while everyone behind him just stands there looking dumb and not taking action.

I’m the FA from above. It’s not just Americans, Canadians are almost worse! Especially on Canadian-bound US-departing flights. It’s like they have something to prove. Certain Europeans tend to be pretty awful, too. Asian passengers are the most cooperative and well behaved pax.


Funny that Asians are great on planes but horrible tourists off the plane.


What are you talking about? We've seen great Asian tourists and great non-Asian tourists.

Check your racist card.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 08:07     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
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Anonymous wrote:DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.

I disagree. I’ll tell you the best way. I went to school in Boston and DH is biglaw.


For equity reasons, we must all exit at the same time.


No, my husband is a Dr. so the right way is women and children first. That's what he tells all his patients.

No! Please do not do this!


Why not? First class gets off first, then if there's time, steerage. This is a proven strategy.


The correct, modern order would be all the children first, then alternating man, woman, man, woman. How hard is this people?


No, no, children would definitely be last in the new world order. They and their parents can wait their turn behind the elderly and childless adults who will shamelessly shove their way out first.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 07:51     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
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If cabin crew wastes precious time subduing or restraining especially unruly passengers, those are precious seconds slipping away that will make it all the more likely that people will die. What happens in those types of situations? Is there a protocol?


This is why crew wont' argue if you're about to jump off onto the slide with your carry-on. It's quicker to just let you do it than argue and waste time.

In general, I think an evacuation of a plane full of Americans would be worse than a plane full of Japanese, as the Japanese society is more about rule-following and what's the best for the society not the individual.

Where Americans will come out ahead is if the situation dictates the need for rule breaking. Think of 9/11 and the flight that crashed in PA. It's because, instead of following the rules and listening to the hijackers, some passengers stood up and overpowered them, potentially avoiding a much worse disaster. That wasn't in the rule book.


True. Let’s put these two tendencies together and overpower the idiots rummaging in the overhead bin while the plane burns.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 07:50     Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
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Anonymous wrote:Not a chance! I'd love to live in Japan. I can deal with having no community because I'm not Japanese. Americans aren't very community minded anyway. I just want to be somewhere that people follow rules (reasonable ones--I'm not a total fascist) and don't disrespect public spaces so much.


Japan also has sensible housing and transportation policy that allows Tokyo, one of the world's densest cities, to have relatively affordable apartments and homes for people to live in with easy access to subway and commuter rail. An absolute pipe dream here.


I’m obsessed with how cheap apartments are in Tokyo.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2024 07:48     Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.

I disagree. I’ll tell you the best way. I went to school in Boston and DH is biglaw.


For equity reasons, we must all exit at the same time.


No, my husband is a Dr. so the right way is women and children first. That's what he tells all his patients.

No! Please do not do this!


Why not? First class gets off first, then if there's time, steerage. This is a proven strategy.


The correct, modern order would be all the children first, then alternating man, woman, man, woman. How hard is this people?