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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

Stony Brook has ZERO tuition for majority of NY residents and the high income full pay the tuition is still 1/2 of UMD or VA state schools

Stem wise dollar for dollar it wins

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.

Cute. How did you come to this conclusion?

The same way I figured the sky is blue.

The only state schools within 500 miles of the DCUM crowd that could objectively be called stronger academically than UMD are UVA, UNC, and UMich. Particularly if we are talking STEM.

UMD is likely stronger than UVA in STEM. But don't forget Rutgers, NC State and OSU. Quite strong in STEM AND other areas. Also, not everything is about STEM.

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The AOs say UMD is not “the University of Montgomery County.”

They accept students from ALL counties. It’s easier to get accepted from counties with fewer admits.

And yet, over half of Churchill applicants are still admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.

Certainly entitled to your own opinion. Reason for calling UMD "mediocre" other than the fact it's not Berkeley?

Geez. Give it a rest people. Maybe mediocre is the wrong word.. How about 'mid-tier'?

Mediocre is the wrong word.

Some people don't have a clue.

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The AOs say UMD is not “the University of Montgomery County.”

They accept students from ALL counties. It’s easier to get accepted from counties with fewer admits.

And yet, over half of Churchill applicants are still admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year, my WJ graduate was accepted in their Honors college (PPE major) with a 4.67gpa, 35 ACT, 12 APs, thoughtful essays, etc. We visited his Honors dorm, ate at the dining hall, spoke to some of his professors, and found it all pretty solid. He ended up at GW because they had exactly the major he wanted, and UMD didn't.

I know certain of his classmates who were rejected outright even though they had a 4-something gpa and had taken AP courses, which in my mind is outrageous. I don't know what majors they'd picked, though, and as PP said, that makes a difference. Computer Science is in high demand, for instance.

I conclude that the bar is pretty high these days.

Awesome scores! Wow!

A 4 something GPA in MCPS is not necessarily high. In my child’s school, 19% have a 4.51 or better. Many schools have double that. And “taken AP classes” doesn’t tell us much as we don’t know if they took a couple or 10+.

It seems that the 50% per high school thing is about right. Were they in the top 50% of kids who applied?

PP said 12 APs.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.

Certainly entitled to your own opinion. Reason for calling UMD "mediocre" other than the fact it's not Berkeley?

Geez. Give it a rest people. Maybe mediocre is the wrong word.. How about 'mid-tier'?

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.

Certainly entitled to your own opinion. Reason for calling UMD "mediocre" other than the fact it's not Berkeley?

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.

Cute. How did you come to this conclusion?

The same way I figured the sky is blue.

The only state schools within 500 miles of the DCUM crowd that could objectively be called stronger academically than UMD are UVA, UNC, and UMich. Particularly if we are talking STEM.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.

Cute. How did you come to this conclusion?

The same way I figured the sky is blue.

The only state schools within 500 miles of the DCUM crowd that could objectively be called stronger academically than UMD are UVA, UNC, and UMich. Particularly if we are talking STEM.

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The AOs say UMD is not “the University of Montgomery County.”

They accept students from ALL counties. It’s easier to get accepted from counties with fewer admits.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year, my WJ graduate was accepted in their Honors college (PPE major) with a 4.67gpa, 35 ACT, 12 APs, thoughtful essays, etc. We visited his Honors dorm, ate at the dining hall, spoke to some of his professors, and found it all pretty solid. He ended up at GW because they had exactly the major he wanted, and UMD didn't.

I know certain of his classmates who were rejected outright even though they had a 4-something gpa and had taken AP courses, which in my mind is outrageous. I don't know what majors they'd picked, though, and as PP said, that makes a difference. Computer Science is in high demand, for instance.

I conclude that the bar is pretty high these days.

Awesome scores! Wow!

A 4 something GPA in MCPS is not necessarily high. In my child’s school, 19% have a 4.51 or better. Many schools have double that. And “taken AP classes” doesn’t tell us much as we don’t know if they took a couple or 10+.

It seems that the 50% per high school thing is about right. Were they in the top 50% of kids who applied?

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Anonymous wrote:UMD admits a lot of lower stats kids second semester.
That way the lower stats aren't computed in their averages. The kids attend the first semester, but take evening classes. (I can't remember what this program is called.)

DD had very high stats and got accepted to CS at UMD, but not honors, which disappointed her. She attends OOS where she got a full ride.

Lots of her classmates are at UMD, with mixed feelings about it. The worst complaint I hear from parents is about housing, which is very limited at UMD, and the huge classes are a problem in the first couple years.

Or maybe they are admitting for Spring to give more kids a chance. IMO public schools are playing less games than private colleges.

State schools play fewer games than private about full pay students, but certainly aren’t straight forward. I have been told that my 3.91/4.51, 7 AP child has zero chance of getting into UMD because she is coming from Churchill and they only accept the high of the high students with perfect scores, yet her same stats coming from almost any other high school would at least give her a real good chance. It’s really frustrating as we are one of the struggling families who can’t afford to go out of state or pay for tutors or college counseling so she is being compared to kids with many greater advantages just because of where we are zoned.

I don't see any reason why you daughter won't get in. You are giving UMD way more credit that it is due. At the end of the day, it's a mediocre state school. I get the lack of high quality choice in MD when it comes to publics and some folks need to be able to pay in-state but.. your daughter, given her great profile, will be fine wherever she goes. A lot of OOS schools would have given her good financial aid to make the cost close to what you'd have paid in-state MD.

My DS (Fairfax county public; with way lower stats that your DD) has been admitted to pretty much all the second-tier schools in the UMD range (Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, etc.) and decent merit money from a few. Your daughter would hit it out of the park at all these places with admissions and merit.