Anonymous
11/07/2023 10:48
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is being a military child a hook? Does the school make money for adding military kids?
No. Not at all. My military kid was passed over at an Ivy for a rural kid with lower stats. Both white UMC fwiw. I think they assume the other girl was less privileged but she was not.
Disagree. I have seen where active military is definitely a hook.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 10:47
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Is being a military child a hook? Does the school make money for adding military kids?
No. Not at all. My military kid was passed over at an Ivy for a rural kid with lower stats. Both white UMC fwiw. I think they assume the other girl was less privileged but she was not.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 10:22
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:I love how the breathless in here pretend that the Class of 2028 at every T20 will overflow with caricatures of the highest performer they can think of ... reminds me of a funny e-mail I received earlier this fall.
What it takes to be accepted to the following schools, if you bother listening to anyone else:
Stanford University: Reanimate the dead. Invent faster than light travel or time travel. Win the Fields Medal. Start Silicon Valley unicorn. Establish new proof of Fermat's Theorem. Become President or Vice President of the United States of America.
Ivy League: Cure cancer. Discover proof of extraterrestrial life. Win the Nobel Peace Prize. Become Head of State of a small country. Win an Oscar.
Top 20: Olympic athlete. Start a non-profit that raises a million dollars for charity. Publish original, peer-reviewed scientific research that solves a mystery of the universe. Win an Emmy.
State Flagship: Date Taylor Swift. Build an entire neighborhood by hand. Create a new element with a short half-life. Win a Grammy.
State School: Lead in school play. Varsity sports. Part-time job. Have a pulse.
It's just ... ugh ... the data is there ... it's not just kids with hooks that get into T20 schools without a 4.00 UWGPA + 20 AP exams scored at 5 + 1600/36 standardized test + multivariable calculus competed in utero. It's just not. It's unremarkable kids that go to school alongside our kids every day, and have a pretty basic, mundane existence, for the most part.
But if you listen to people, boy, I tell you ...
Hilarious. I agree 100%.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 10:19
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:I love how the breathless in here pretend that the Class of 2028 at every T20 will overflow with caricatures of the highest performer they can think of ... reminds me of a funny e-mail I received earlier this fall.
What it takes to be accepted to the following schools, if you bother listening to anyone else:
Stanford University: Reanimate the dead. Invent faster than light travel or time travel. Win the Fields Medal. Start Silicon Valley unicorn. Establish new proof of Fermat's Theorem. Become President or Vice President of the United States of America.
Ivy League: Cure cancer. Discover proof of extraterrestrial life. Win the Nobel Peace Prize. Become Head of State of a small country. Win an Oscar.
Top 20: Olympic athlete. Start a non-profit that raises a million dollars for charity. Publish original, peer-reviewed scientific research that solves a mystery of the universe. Win an Emmy.
State Flagship: Date Taylor Swift. Build an entire neighborhood by hand. Create a new element with a short half-life. Win a Grammy.
State School: Lead in school play. Varsity sports. Part-time job. Have a pulse.
It's just ... ugh ... the data is there ... it's not just kids with hooks that get into T20 schools without a 4.00 UWGPA + 20 AP exams scored at 5 + 1600/36 standardized test + multivariable calculus competed in utero. It's just not. It's unremarkable kids that go to school alongside our kids every day, and have a pretty basic, mundane existence, for the most part.
But if you listen to people, boy, I tell you ...
I disagree - went through this last year with a child who had a a 1590 on the SATS - all 5s on hardcore APS - Caclulcus BS, Physics, Chemistry, Biology - and got into a good school but not quite a few that I thought were obvious. And who did get into these schools? Legacies and athletes. Oh and newspaper editors. Do that!
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:58
Subject: Re:Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I consider full pay a hook.
Except it isn’t at need blind schools.
I suspect a fairly high percentage of students in the early application pools to private schools are full pay, which the admissions office probably knows.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:52
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Hook = something that is clear will make the school better / they can brag about.
Examples = student with strong academics + went to worlds for Irish Dance or competes in World Series of BBQ or has been elected to the local school board
Famous parents
Full pay
Anonymous
11/07/2023 08:29
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:ButAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does URM include anyone who is not a white male? Is a young black teen considered an URM for college admission purposes?
URM = black, Hispanic, Native American
ORM - white, Asian
Can someone provide an estimate of how much % it increases the chance of acceptance, being an URM (black teen male)?
Do certain tiers of school (or regions if the country) give URM more weight (ie boost) than others?
I don't think there's a data point on this. But as someone who once temped at my elite college's law school registrar's office, the advantage of being black is absolutely gigantically enormous. LSAT scores weren't even in the same stratosphere. Not remotely close. Being black and vaguely ambitious is a golden ticket in academia. Particularly selective private schools.
+1
This. This data is not kept on hand, but people think that schools are going to hand it over. LOL.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 07:08
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, in the last few years DOUBLE hooks are the key. Black and legacy. Athletic recruit and legacy. Sometimes the legacies are also stacked to include both parents or grandparents. In DC, Celebrity/high profile person is often a legacy too (in DC this is usually a journalist, national news anchor, political TV persona, someone high up in the administration, Senator, Congressman, SCOTUS/Judge, etc.)
+1
Anonymous
11/07/2023 05:56
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
My friend’s father is a famous (in the business world) multi billionaire. My friend went to Stanford and their siblings to Duke. Father went to neither so not legacies. Father has buildings named after him on both campuses. Several years ago someone wrote a book about uber rich kids getting into colleges and used my friend’s situation as an example.
To me, this is THE hook.
To me, this is THE hook.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 02:47
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
ButAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does URM include anyone who is not a white male? Is a young black teen considered an URM for college admission purposes?
URM = black, Hispanic, Native American
ORM - white, Asian
Can someone provide an estimate of how much % it increases the chance of acceptance, being an URM (black teen male)?
Do certain tiers of school (or regions if the country) give URM more weight (ie boost) than others?
I don't think there's a data point on this. But as someone who once temped at my elite college's law school registrar's office, the advantage of being black is absolutely gigantically enormous. LSAT scores weren't even in the same stratosphere. Not remotely close. Being black and vaguely ambitious is a golden ticket in academia. Particularly selective private schools.
Anonymous
11/06/2023 23:04
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Generic examples of hooks:
- one parent went to HYP and other parent went to generic college XYZ but is a VIP (whether that be in media, CEO, politics etc.). Kid gets into the HYP parent's college.
- Ivy URM parent, kid gets into the Ivy
- children with uber rich relatives who seem to cover multiple generations of acceptances with ground breaking donations (like stadiums, buildings)
- one parent went to HYP and other parent went to generic college XYZ but is a VIP (whether that be in media, CEO, politics etc.). Kid gets into the HYP parent's college.
- Ivy URM parent, kid gets into the Ivy
- children with uber rich relatives who seem to cover multiple generations of acceptances with ground breaking donations (like stadiums, buildings)
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:30
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Oh, you're still here?
Figured you had given up after starting the "Navigating College Admissions: Avoiding Disadvantage for Multiracial (Asian/White) Applicants in Virginia" thread.
Your brain is too small to figure out there can be more than one poster on DCUM.
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:29
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Oh, you're still here?
Figured you had given up after starting the "Navigating College Admissions: Avoiding Disadvantage for Multiracial (Asian/White) Applicants in Virginia" thread.
Figured you had given up after starting the "Navigating College Admissions: Avoiding Disadvantage for Multiracial (Asian/White) Applicants in Virginia" thread.
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:23
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
Anonymous wrote:Sure. Your average candidate has a 5% chance at getting in Harvard. But if they are black then it is guaranteed?
Which is why every black student that applies to Harvard is accepted, given a brand new car, a condo, and an iPhone.
I can see you’re really bad at elementary school math. No wonder you need the DEI boost in every phase of your life.
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:21
Subject: Real Life “Hook” examples
which doesn’t exist.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does URM include anyone who is not a white male? Is a young black teen considered an URM for college admission purposes?
URM = black, Hispanic, Native American
ORM - white, Asian
Can someone provide an estimate of how much % it increases the chance of acceptance, being an URM (black teen male)?
Do certain tiers of school (or regions if the country) give URM more weight (ie boost) than others?
Being black will increase your chance by 124.32% with 99.37% for Hispanics.
Will also increase your chance of being stopped and questioned on campus by 77.3%. And about 312% increased chance of being picked up off campus for "questioning." You can still do some homework while they're searching for warrants. Just build it into your schedule and you'll be fine!
It will also increase your chance by about 257% that your elementary teacher thinks you are not as smart as your peers, never offers you opportunities to get challenging work, to never be in the top reading group, and to be categorized as aggressive and impulsive when you shout out the correct answer and correct the teacher /peers instead of being classified as clever and having leadership abilities. Double these odds for Urm males.
Only if people are actually stupid enough to believe your lies.
I think you meant “to believe all the research done on this topic ever.”