Anonymous wrote:A more consistent ranking for worst US colleges was prepared by Degree Choices and relied on government data.

These are the 42 worst colleges in America 2023

Degree Choices measured college economic performance and graduation rates to create its list of the worst universities. They claim
* Outrageously low earnings after graduation
* Alumni who are in debt for most of their lives
* Disturbingly low graduation rates
University name Economic score
1. Berklee College of Music 20.9
2. Alabama State University 14.4
3. Florida National University 14.0
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
5. Herzing University, Madison 12.1
6. Grambling State University 11.9
7. Keiser University, Ft Lauderdale 11.9
8. Academy of Art University 11.8
9. Benedict College 11.1
10. Claflin University 10.3
11. Central State University 10.1
12. New England College 10.1
13. Savannah College of Art and Design 9.7
14. Sullivan University 9.7
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
18. School of Visual Arts 9.3
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
20. ECPI University 8.8
21. Alcorn State University 8.

Interesting because #10 Claflin University and #16 Tuskegee University are both in the top 10 HBCU's in Newsweek every year.

There is media available on colleges that accept students with low GPAs < 3 :/ but very little info warning students with extremely low GPAs they are probably not prepared for 4 year programs and that the universities that will accept them have extremely high drop rates and the students still retain the debt.

Colleges That Accept Low GPA
https://www.educationconnection.com/resources/colleges-that-accept-low-gpa/
Lots of advice on getting in but not on staying in or being prepared. There are even colleges that accept 1.0 GPAs.

90 Colleges That Accept Low GPAs
https://blog.collegevine.com/low-gpa-colleges

151 US COLLEGES WITH LOW GPA REQUIREMENTS
https://skoolville.com/blog/us-colleges-with-low-gpa-requirements/


**Lists for BEST colleges with low GPAs are often in the 3s range (3.1-3.6)so not really in the range of the schools with extremely high drop out rates.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/the-best-colleges-with-low-gpa-requirements


Newsweek did offer a list of colleges with biggest drop out rates a couple of years ago but no other data such as life long debt and long term income prospects. Also many of these colleges had higher graduation rates than the national average for black students indicating that there are probably race disparities playing into graduation rates within the colleges.
https://www.newsweek.com/colleges-highest-dropout-rates-1617808


This info below on college drop out rates is helpful and covers race issues but again there is no info on how at risk students can avoid dropping out and incurring life long students debts.

College Dropout Rates in the U.S.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/college-dropout-rate/

More than 39 million Americans (17% population) have some college experience with no degree.

American Indian/Alaska Native, Black, and Pacific Islander first-year students have higher dropout rates than their Hispanic, white, and Asian peers.

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Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

Not at all but many journalists and professors and education specialists frequent here -

I read widely both left and right leaning media.

This problem is huge and growing -
There will be no panacea to fix everything but we need to make a more serious effort to reduce the gaps in tertiary education.

There are so many societal benefits to having a better educated population - from better health, life expectancies, better care for children, better civic engagement etc etc

My point was, these are among the most pressing, prominent, and "worked on" issues in higher education and higher ed policy. You don't need to "really hope that smart journalists or higher up people in ed policy" are reading this DCUM thread (lol) for people to take notice. Low grad rates, high debt for students who never actually end up getting the credential, tertiary education gaps - immense amounts of money and research are dedicated to figuring these things out, but there is no easy answer. That's why I asked if you only read DCUM, because it may be the first time the issue has really been talked about HERE, but it would be odd for someone who "read(s) widely" to not know that these issues are absolutely researched, "ran with", etc. at length in the media, research, ed policy, etc.

I disagree. As a parent who has been through extensive college search process before and beginning again now, I simply disagree.

I don’t think there is enough emphasis on providing helpful college info for really weak students from disadvantaged communities, especially black students.

There is much more college info to guide UMC and MC students.

The stats speak for themselves.

Educational policy experts write about this all the time and it guides a lot of educational policy. But the consumers of media about college are far more likely to be MC/UMC families.

Yes that is why we need more easy to read lists on popular media based on solid data to help guide students with very low GPAs from disadvantaged communities.

I also think many colleges need more oversight and should not be allowed to accept students they know will fail. The average debt of black students for example is much higher than for white students and the majority of black students do not graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

Not at all but many journalists and professors and education specialists frequent here -

I read widely both left and right leaning media.

This problem is huge and growing -
There will be no panacea to fix everything but we need to make a more serious effort to reduce the gaps in tertiary education.

There are so many societal benefits to having a better educated population - from better health, life expectancies, better care for children, better civic engagement etc etc

My point was, these are among the most pressing, prominent, and "worked on" issues in higher education and higher ed policy. You don't need to "really hope that smart journalists or higher up people in ed policy" are reading this DCUM thread (lol) for people to take notice. Low grad rates, high debt for students who never actually end up getting the credential, tertiary education gaps - immense amounts of money and research are dedicated to figuring these things out, but there is no easy answer. That's why I asked if you only read DCUM, because it may be the first time the issue has really been talked about HERE, but it would be odd for someone who "read(s) widely" to not know that these issues are absolutely researched, "ran with", etc. at length in the media, research, ed policy, etc.

I disagree. As a parent who has been through extensive college search process before and beginning again now, I simply disagree.

I don’t think there is enough emphasis on providing helpful college info for really weak students from disadvantaged communities, especially black students.

There is much more college info to guide UMC and MC students.

The stats speak for themselves.

Depends on where you are; there is a lot of support for urban students, especially urban students of color. Lots of programs. There is little if any support for rural students. See Tough, Paul, "The Years That Matter Most: How College Makes or Breaks Us." Fascinating book based on solid research that addresses a lot of what is being discussed in this thread. Side note for Michael Pollan fans -- Paul Tough is a protege of his.

Different perspective on a particular, and local, school fwiw: Stratford University in NOVA is on this list. When I finished grad school a few years ago and was looking for work teaching English at the college level, I decided not to even apply there because the job description seemed to be more about babysitting students to keep them from going MIA and dropping out (I got the impression you were required to reach out to students by phone when they missed a class, failed to submit an assignment, etc) than it was about teaching composition. I'm not going to call people who are fully grown and can't make it to class. I'm not going to do backflips to help students who won't submit work on time. I'm not going to hold the hand of students who would fail at a real college. Nope. Not gonna do it. I'm a prof, not a life coach.

Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism

No, it's where people carry a tremendous load of student debt regardless of skin color!

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Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

Not at all but many journalists and professors and education specialists frequent here -

I read widely both left and right leaning media.

This problem is huge and growing -
There will be no panacea to fix everything but we need to make a more serious effort to reduce the gaps in tertiary education.

There are so many societal benefits to having a better educated population - from better health, life expectancies, better care for children, better civic engagement etc etc

My point was, these are among the most pressing, prominent, and "worked on" issues in higher education and higher ed policy. You don't need to "really hope that smart journalists or higher up people in ed policy" are reading this DCUM thread (lol) for people to take notice. Low grad rates, high debt for students who never actually end up getting the credential, tertiary education gaps - immense amounts of money and research are dedicated to figuring these things out, but there is no easy answer. That's why I asked if you only read DCUM, because it may be the first time the issue has really been talked about HERE, but it would be odd for someone who "read(s) widely" to not know that these issues are absolutely researched, "ran with", etc. at length in the media, research, ed policy, etc.

I disagree. As a parent who has been through extensive college search process before and beginning again now, I simply disagree.

I don’t think there is enough emphasis on providing helpful college info for really weak students from disadvantaged communities, especially black students.

There is much more college info to guide UMC and MC students.

The stats speak for themselves.

Educational policy experts write about this all the time and it guides a lot of educational policy. But the consumers of media about college are far more likely to be MC/UMC families.

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Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

Not at all but many journalists and professors and education specialists frequent here -

I read widely both left and right leaning media.

This problem is huge and growing -
There will be no panacea to fix everything but we need to make a more serious effort to reduce the gaps in tertiary education.

There are so many societal benefits to having a better educated population - from better health, life expectancies, better care for children, better civic engagement etc etc

My point was, these are among the most pressing, prominent, and "worked on" issues in higher education and higher ed policy. You don't need to "really hope that smart journalists or higher up people in ed policy" are reading this DCUM thread (lol) for people to take notice. Low grad rates, high debt for students who never actually end up getting the credential, tertiary education gaps - immense amounts of money and research are dedicated to figuring these things out, but there is no easy answer. That's why I asked if you only read DCUM, because it may be the first time the issue has really been talked about HERE, but it would be odd for someone who "read(s) widely" to not know that these issues are absolutely researched, "ran with", etc. at length in the media, research, ed policy, etc.

I disagree. As a parent who has been through extensive college search process before and beginning again now, I simply disagree.

I don’t think there is enough emphasis on providing helpful college info for really weak students from disadvantaged communities, especially black students.

There is much more college info to guide UMC and MC students.

The stats speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

Not at all but many journalists and professors and education specialists frequent here -

I read widely both left and right leaning media.

This problem is huge and growing -
There will be no panacea to fix everything but we need to make a more serious effort to reduce the gaps in tertiary education.

There are so many societal benefits to having a better educated population - from better health, life expectancies, better care for children, better civic engagement etc etc

My point was, these are among the most pressing, prominent, and "worked on" issues in higher education and higher ed policy. You don't need to "really hope that smart journalists or higher up people in ed policy" are reading this DCUM thread (lol) for people to take notice. Low grad rates, high debt for students who never actually end up getting the credential, tertiary education gaps - immense amounts of money and research are dedicated to figuring these things out, but there is no easy answer. That's why I asked if you only read DCUM, because it may be the first time the issue has really been talked about HERE, but it would be odd for someone who "read(s) widely" to not know that these issues are absolutely researched, "ran with", etc. at length in the media, research, ed policy, etc.

Anonymous wrote:These lists are literally designed as click bait. The goal is to get you to click - and to keep clicking through the pages to get the full list (in what are called "slideshow" or "pagination" posts) - so they can generate maximum ad revenue from the click-throughs. That only works if they are both highly controversial and just plausible enough that you will fall for it and keep clicking through the pages.

Don't be the one of those people who fall for it. They should have these on the Digital SAT so colleges can weed out the applicants who have no common sense.

Maybe but there is no where near enough serious research into high college drop out rates among many colleges.
The second list - the Degree choices list - used relevant criteria (high drop out rates, high life long student debt and poor job outcomes) using government data. Some of the data was dated but they tried to make a credible and consistent effort in this regard.

The point is we need more credible research into this and for the information to be made accessible to vulnerable young people from disadvantaged communities before they invest huge amounts of money on programs they are not prepared to finish.

I think colleges need to have better oversight to prevent predatory practices of targeting poor black students who barely graduate high school with extremely low GPAs and test scores with promises of a better life. Sadly, a majority of black students do not graduate college and large numbers have life long debt. Stats on previous page for this and are available through education data.

Also I wonder whether colleges should be required to provide some kind of bridging course for students with very low GPAs and test scores to help prepare them for the challenges of a four year degree.

The lists here were just supposed to spark discussion around low college graduation rates not to be the main point of the conversation.

These lists are literally designed as click bait. The goal is to get you to click - and to keep clicking through the pages to get the full list (in what are called "slideshow" or "pagination" posts) - so they can generate maximum ad revenue from the click-throughs. That only works if they are both highly controversial and just plausible enough that you will fall for it and keep clicking through the pages.

Don't be the one of those people who fall for it. They should have these on the Digital SAT so colleges can weed out the applicants who have no common sense.

Anonymous wrote:Whomever writes worst list for anything can go kiss it. But for this list, any institution on this list still has excellent teachers and students busting their behinds to build a future for themselves. Would rather hire them than some entitled schmuck with an oversized ego.

Are you hiring? 🤣

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Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

Not at all but many journalists and professors and education specialists frequent here -

I read widely both left and right leaning media.

This problem is huge and growing -
There will be no panacea to fix everything but we need to make a more serious effort to reduce the gaps in tertiary education.

There are so many societal benefits to having a better educated population - from better health, life expectancies, better care for children, better civic engagement etc etc

Anonymous wrote:Really hope that someone in education policy at high levels or smart journalists run with some of the issues raised in this thread. We need more research into extremely High drop rates and life long student debt and its relationship to growing tertiary education gaps.

LMAO. Is DCUM your only news source?

You forgot UVA.