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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

William and Mary grads with a Bachelors degree make $5500 per month, W&M grads with a Masters make $5700 per month. How many years of making an extra $200 per month would it take to earn back that tuition plus the $66,000 in lost earnings?

$5500 a month is piss. A mortgage in DC is $6000.

The report shows median beginning salaries.

Not only that, it shows median across all geographies. Typically pay is higher in more expensive areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

William and Mary grads with a Bachelors degree make $5500 per month, W&M grads with a Masters make $5700 per month. How many years of making an extra $200 per month would it take to earn back that tuition plus the $66,000 in lost earnings?

$5500 a month is piss. A mortgage in DC is $6000.

The report shows median beginning salaries.

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Anonymous wrote:APS doesn’t rank students. How can someone claim anyone outside of the top 5% gets excluded?

Same with FCPS. How do they know the rank?

Hackers

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Anonymous wrote:UVA and WM are a complete waste of time. I have it on good a good source that nearly every applicant in APS, FCPS, and LCPS gets tossed out the window at UVA at the get go if you aren’t in the top 5% of your class.

VT MAYBE, but the business school only admit 20% and you need to be in above 93% for math SAT. They don’t care much about English scores.

WM favors male applicants and strongly favors ED with demonstrated interest. I think OP’s kid has a 50/50 chance or better in ED at WM assuming an interview, full senior year visit on whatever the day is that they set aside for prospective business majors and a strong supplemental essay. But a lot depends on rigor, where the Bs are, ECs, personal statement, recs, etc. I don’t see it in RD. If your kid try’s, make sure they know 1st semester senior gradesj will count for a lot.

Can we see the underlying math for how you got 50/50 odds?

Don’t be ridiculous. You’re asking opinions from people who for the most part have some insight or experience. Nothing is a mathematical certainty when it comes to college admissions. (and she said “50/50 chance or better”)

In other words, made up based on anecdotal data from the poster’s direct experience of maybe a couple of kids.

Well I would definitely base a third of a million dollars worth of investment on a hard analysis like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

William and Mary grads with a Bachelors degree make $5500 per month, W&M grads with a Masters make $5700 per month. How many years of making an extra $200 per month would it take to earn back that tuition plus the $66,000 in lost earnings?

If you were awake during Econ, you may have learned people get utility from things other than money.

Also not everyone pays tuition for grad school, if you are a funded humanities candidate you have the opportunity cost for lost salary (for two years…) but don’t have to recoup tuition costs. Also is that median salary? Half the graduates are earning more. Some a LOT more.

MBA students who have their firms pay don’t have either issue.

Thanks for attending my TED talk.

Anonymous wrote:APS doesn’t rank students. How can someone claim anyone outside of the top 5% gets excluded?

Same with FCPS. How do they know the rank?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with a previous poster that this system is broken. The gamesmanship just cannot be what schools intended with test-optional. My son also has a 1380, which is why I clicked on this, and he is submitting it everywhere. It’s a good score and he worked hard for it. A school that would reject him KNOWING that many test-optional students didn’t score nearly as well is really not a school worth going to.

It may just be me, but I feel like university admissions are a lottery. I had a kid that scored a 35 (first sitting) on the ACT with a good GPA.

Good take. Never heard that before.

For around 20 schools, random lottery.

For around 30 additional schools, hard to read.

For literally every other school: pretty straightforward.

NYU (for example) had 120,000 applications last year for 5,700 seats, that’s a 5% admit rate, I can’t imagine anything they care less about than whether you are confused about their test policy or not. Shut up and apply, dummy.

BTW at $80 per applicant that’s $9.6 Million in revenue where 95% of the players lose, and the winners get to hand them $95k a year for four years.

Literally better odds playing roulette at a casino.

The number of applicants will go up in 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:DD has a 1600 SAT, 4.2 (11th grade) FCPS, NMSF, 13 APs, and good ECs. Not sure if DD would get into UVA, WM, or VT

Probably offered admission at all three barring really shitty essays.

Come on, now.

DCUM posters live in a parallel universe where being a top 0.01% student for the entire country isn’t enough to get into a public flagship in their own state.

I straight up do not believe in the existence of these alleged perfect students who get rejected everywhere.

It’s trolling to increase people’s anxiety.

There’s only 1000 people who score 1600 out of the pool of all test takers- we are talking literally millions of kids sit for the SAT.

SAT = meaningless

Not totally meaningless. If you go into finance they ask for your SAT scores. Amazon asks for SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:DD has a 1600 SAT, 4.2 (11th grade) FCPS, NMSF, 13 APs, and good ECs. Not sure if DD would get into UVA, WM, or VT

Probably offered admission at all three barring really shitty essays.

Come on, now.

DCUM posters live in a parallel universe where being a top 0.01% student for the entire country isn’t enough to get into a public flagship in their own state.

I straight up do not believe in the existence of these alleged perfect students who get rejected everywhere.

It’s trolling to increase people’s anxiety.

There’s only 1000 people who score 1600 out of the pool of all test takers- we are talking literally millions of kids sit for the SAT.

SAT = meaningless

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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

William and Mary grads with a Bachelors degree make $5500 per month, W&M grads with a Masters make $5700 per month. How many years of making an extra $200 per month would it take to earn back that tuition plus the $66,000 in lost earnings?

$5500 a month is piss. A mortgage in DC is $6000.

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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

William and Mary grads with a Bachelors degree make $5500 per month, W&M grads with a Masters make $5700 per month. How many years of making an extra $200 per month would it take to earn back that tuition plus the $66,000 in lost earnings?

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Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

What if you don't take out loans for school?

Anonymous wrote:Business is one of the biggest majors at WM, and it’s a decent program. It’s not as well known as some other big business school names, but I’d hire a WM undergrad business degree any day.

W&M undergraduate business graduates rank 21st for earnings net of debt payments out of over 1,300 colleges according to the report below. That is better than decent. It ranks 6th out of all publics.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with a previous poster that this system is broken. The gamesmanship just cannot be what schools intended with test-optional. My son also has a 1380, which is why I clicked on this, and he is submitting it everywhere. It’s a good score and he worked hard for it. A school that would reject him KNOWING that many test-optional students didn’t score nearly as well is really not a school worth going to.

It may just be me, but I feel like university admissions are a lottery. I had a kid that scored a 35 (first sitting) on the ACT with a good GPA.

Good take. Never heard that before.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with a previous poster that this system is broken. The gamesmanship just cannot be what schools intended with test-optional. My son also has a 1380, which is why I clicked on this, and he is submitting it everywhere. It’s a good score and he worked hard for it. A school that would reject him KNOWING that many test-optional students didn’t score nearly as well is really not a school worth going to.

It may just be me, but I feel like university admissions are a lottery. I had a kid that scored a 35 (first sitting) on the ACT with a good GPA.