Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:56
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Multitasking while getting screamed at... that's good.
So line cooks would be best suited for Wall Street.
What a pathetic explanation.
Jeff Bezos worked the line at McDonald's.
So did many other successful people. You seem to be quite blind to your classist arrogance.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:53
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you know if likely letters to recruits have been sent out yet for the 2024s?
NESCAC pre-reads started in July. A number of SLAC "offers" (via phone calls from coaches to 2024s) began on August 1.
Likely letters don't come out until the recruit submits their entire application to the school including teacher recommendations and official transcript from counselor. My DC got app in, but the coach said that school is still waiting on the other pieces.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:45
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Multitasking while getting screamed at... that's good.
So line cooks would be best suited for Wall Street.
What a pathetic explanation.
Yes well we have to eat our cooking - every day.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:41
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Multitasking while getting screamed at... that's good.
So line cooks would be best suited for Wall Street.
What a pathetic explanation.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:35
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Multitasking while getting screamed at... that's good.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:31
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31753
Seems the skills acquired by student athletes working in teams, working hard towards a goal, and managing extreme time commitments actually pay off after college. I have heard an Ivy admissions say the outcomes of student athletes are better than non-athletes despite their academic admissions boost - but had not seen the literature (no secret Wall St etc has preference for athletes and those are results oriented environments).
athletes at Ivy League schools already are rich and largely white. If they didn’t achieve success that would be concerning.
Wall Street doesn’t have a preference for athletes, it’s a nepotistic hiring process so teammates favor their former teammates. Let’s not pretend it’s some example of merit based hiring.
Haha there is a definite preference for athletes. They do better at performing multiple tasks while getting screamed at then your average high stat problem set jockey and are relatively better prepared for the eat what you kill grind. It’s not a country club.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:27
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Do you know if likely letters to recruits have been sent out yet for the 2024s?
NESCAC pre-reads started in July. A number of SLAC "offers" (via phone calls from coaches to 2024s) began on August 1.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:21
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/papers/w31753
Seems the skills acquired by student athletes working in teams, working hard towards a goal, and managing extreme time commitments actually pay off after college. I have heard an Ivy admissions say the outcomes of student athletes are better than non-athletes despite their academic admissions boost - but had not seen the literature (no secret Wall St etc has preference for athletes and those are results oriented environments).
athletes at Ivy League schools already are rich and largely white. If they didn’t achieve success that would be concerning.
Wall Street doesn’t have a preference for athletes, it’s a nepotistic hiring process so teammates favor their former teammates. Let’s not pretend it’s some example of merit based hiring.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:17
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was best break-down I have seen on Ivy recruiting and stats:
https://youtu.be/vWKoG1XTLsI?si=ALrQ0LRrI9RMwoqk
Very useful thanks for posting
Yes, this is very eye opening.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 11:15
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
My DC is an athlete at a NESCAC. DC had pre-reads at a couple of NESCACs and SLACs. Several of these schools, including the one DC is at, have been TO for years (pre-pandemic). DC had to have an ACT for pre-reads. Passed all of them. DC is an academic high-flyer - took most rigorous courseload available at high school. Ultimately, when DC applied ED, coach came back and said don't submit ACT score of 33. Admissions doesn't want it. Clearly part of their data manipulation. They only wanted 34s and higher.
We learned in this process that NESCACs and many other SLACs have a band system for their recruits (at least in the sport my DC plays).
Of the 10-12 recruits coach gets 5-6 may be green band (at the high end of the general applicant pool - superior grades/test scores/strong athlete). Yellow band may be 3-4 recruits - some aspect of their profile is not as high. Red banded athletes are limited to 1, maybe 2. Coach really wants them for their athletic skills, but the recruit is below the average in either gpa or test score.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 10:44
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:This was best break-down I have seen on Ivy recruiting and stats:
https://youtu.be/vWKoG1XTLsI?si=ALrQ0LRrI9RMwoqk
Very useful thanks for posting
Anonymous
10/10/2023 10:38
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
https://www.nber.org/papers/w31753
Seems the skills acquired by student athletes working in teams, working hard towards a goal, and managing extreme time commitments actually pay off after college. I have heard an Ivy admissions say the outcomes of student athletes are better than non-athletes despite their academic admissions boost - but had not seen the literature (no secret Wall St etc has preference for athletes and those are results oriented environments).
Seems the skills acquired by student athletes working in teams, working hard towards a goal, and managing extreme time commitments actually pay off after college. I have heard an Ivy admissions say the outcomes of student athletes are better than non-athletes despite their academic admissions boost - but had not seen the literature (no secret Wall St etc has preference for athletes and those are results oriented environments).
Anonymous
10/10/2023 10:32
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Ivy League schools apply something called the Academic Index to make sure recruited athletes are within range for the schools.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 10:14
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Let's rewind a few hundred (or thousand) years back to when higher education truly was reserved for the very best. Your son (boys only) had to be both physically fit and smart. No exceptions. No one had much use for a really smart boy that could not (or would not) hoist a spear.
Fast forward to the present day and all of the really smart kids get a free pass that would have been unimaginable when our civilizations were being developed. Can't farm or build a bridge with your hands or fight? You can but are unwilling to?
I can think of a few countries where the geniuses refuse to get their hands dirty or risk straining a muscle. And I can see those geniuses lining up for places at American universities.
And I am not impressed
Fast forward to the present day and all of the really smart kids get a free pass that would have been unimaginable when our civilizations were being developed. Can't farm or build a bridge with your hands or fight? You can but are unwilling to?
I can think of a few countries where the geniuses refuse to get their hands dirty or risk straining a muscle. And I can see those geniuses lining up for places at American universities.
And I am not impressed
Anonymous
10/10/2023 09:52
Subject: Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!
Anonymous wrote:
Pre-reads are an advantage. The student gets early feedback and can pinpoint their ED choice. That is hugely helpful.
It's an advantage but if you don't have the academic chops for the school, the preread doesn't get you in.