Anonymous wrote:GPAs are meaningless because so many districts do it differently.

Scores are still important for the best schools. Remember to combine the number of kids who submitted SAT with the kids who submitted ACT. When you do that, UVA has 65% reporting and WM has 62% reporting. Also, consider who is most likely NOT to report. If your kid isn’t one of them, their competition is probably reporting a score.

Expectations will vary by within a school as well. The percentage of enrolled students submitting scores for UVA engineering is about 19 points higher than for Arts and Sciences. Engineering is looking for additional evidence of proficiency in math.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

UVA's incoming class last year had a math SAT at 780 for the 75th percentile (meaning 25% had more); a 760 at the median and a 710 at the bottom 25th of the class. ACT was 34/33/32, respectively. Some Virginia kids can do "basic algebra". But by all means pay $44K more to go OOS. Please

The incoming class at UVA is very good at math, the person who posted this is not.

It's all from SCHEV; what's incorrect?

If 50% of students submit SAT scores, and the top 75% of those students have scores of 710 or higher, what percent of the entering class had a score under 710?

Is it (a) roughly the bottom 25% of the class (1 in every 4 students), as you said?

Or is it (b) the bottom 62.5% of the class (most students on campus and nearly 2 out of every 3 students)?

Closer to B.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

UVA's incoming class last year had a math SAT at 780 for the 75th percentile (meaning 25% had more); a 760 at the median and a 710 at the bottom 25th of the class. ACT was 34/33/32, respectively. Some Virginia kids can do "basic algebra". But by all means pay $44K more to go OOS. Please

The incoming class at UVA is very good at math, the person who posted this is not.

It's all from SCHEV; what's incorrect?

If 50% of students submit SAT scores, and the top 75% of those students have scores of 710 or higher, what percent of the entering class had a score under 710?

Is it (a) roughly the bottom 25% of the class (1 in every 4 students), as you said?

Or is it (b) the bottom 62.5% of the class (most students on campus and nearly 2 out of every 3 students)?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

There are many colleges with mandatory test submissions, currently and in the past. The total of SAT and ACT at any of them is typically around 100%, with a few schools having 102-110. So 'double submission' of test scores is not really a common practice.

Duke’s CDS reports 93% of admitted students submitted ACT and SAT scores. I attended an info session with my son this evening and found out 20% of admitted students were TO.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

UVA's incoming class last year had a math SAT at 780 for the 75th percentile (meaning 25% had more); a 760 at the median and a 710 at the bottom 25th of the class. ACT was 34/33/32, respectively. Some Virginia kids can do "basic algebra". But by all means pay $44K more to go OOS. Please

The incoming class at UVA is very good at math, the person who posted this is not.

It's all from SCHEV; what's incorrect?

Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

W&L

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

UVA's incoming class last year had a math SAT at 780 for the 75th percentile (meaning 25% had more); a 760 at the median and a 710 at the bottom 25th of the class. ACT was 34/33/32, respectively. Some Virginia kids can do "basic algebra". But by all means pay $44K more to go OOS. Please

The incoming class at UVA is very good at math, the person who posted this is not.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

UVA's incoming class last year had a math SAT at 780 for the 75th percentile (meaning 25% had more); a 760 at the median and a 710 at the bottom 25th of the class. ACT was 34/33/32, respectively. Some Virginia kids can do "basic algebra". But by all means pay $44K more to go OOS. Please

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

Huh? I had a kid go through TJ and kid do the base school. And very few kids submitted both (more at TJ than the base school). And the ones who did were kids who were great test takers who didn’t need more than one try at each. Most kids can’t one and done a 1520 and 34 cold. Junior year is busy and stressful and has a heavy academic load where grades matter a lot. Prepping both tests well enough to hit the high scores (especially considering the different math pacing and the science ACT section) and then sitting through multiple takes of both is spending a lot of time that can better be used on grades, ECs and as senior year approaches, things like essays. Especially with TO, two great doesn’t get you much more than one. And two lower scores because of split attention is counterproductive.

Some kids want to prove they can go 1600/36. They also apply to all the Ivys, etc. I doubt most kids submit both because it’s a time suck without much reward. Especially in the TO world.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

There are many colleges with mandatory test submissions, currently and in the past. The total of SAT and ACT at any of them is typically around 100%, with a few schools having 102-110. So 'double submission' of test scores is not really a common practice.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

I think that might be best for the rest of us. And for UVA/VT/W&M.

A win-win.

+1. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

I think that might be best for the rest of us. And for UVA/VT/W&M.

A win-win.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.

I think that might be best for the rest of us. And for UVA/VT/W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Full pay? ED? Generally speaking, that’s who shows up for tours, so that’s a great venue to deliver a targeted message. I assume full-pay ED kids at W&L lean test optional, while kids competing for the full ride scholarships are more likely to submit.

They don’t require scores for the Johnson scholarship. My kid has many friends who are Johnson Scholars who did not submit scores who are not hooked. They have amazing extracurriculars/grades.

W&L uses the scholarship to recruit both High stats/exceptional kids who may have otherwise gone to a T20 school and underrepresented kids.

BTW, Asians are also underrepresented here with only 4-5% of the student body.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA the highest test scores in the state. Obviously

50% of the entering class didn't submit SAT scores.

Pretty consistent across the board for the competitive publics (45% at Tech and W&M)

What's surprising to me is that only 30% of the entering class at Washington & Lee submitted SAT scores (and the percentiles were identical to UVA).

Do parents still think test optional is a fad?

Another 26% submit ACT scores so about 50% submit scores. That said, they were encouraging test optional on the tour. My daughter goes there now and got in test optional.

Unless you get a good score, in which case they matter more than ever.

And ... *checks notes* ... you might submit both to drive the point home.

Ok, you’ve convinced me. White kids at Virginia colleges can’t do basic algebra. My kid is sick and tired of taking high school math with kids like that, so we will look outside the state of Virginia for college.