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Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?

getting paid $300K is nothing to sneeze at, even better with no loans for advanced degrees and work/life balance.

You can easily get a six figure job with an undergrad in majors like CS and engineering without a masters.

If one wants to major in liberal arts, they should go into it with eyes wide open, namely that, chances are, 1. you won't be able to find a job that pays enough to live independently or 2. you'll need an advanced degree (and for many, that means taking out loans) to get a decent paying job.

As long as you are 26 forever this is a great plan, what happens when you are 46 and the boss is asking why haven’t you kept up to date with your degrees and sorry the job needs a Masters now. Best of luck with your future endeavors.

If you have a lib arts undergrad degree and are smart you don’t pay for grad school. Academics get funded through postdoc. Your company should be paying for your MBA/MPA.

Only Lawyers and Physicians pay big out of pocket.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only say about my DS and DD, both graduated from Ivies with liberal arts degrees and they are not making a lot of money.  One is still living at home with us four years after graduation.  The other one is living with a roommate because she can't afford to have a place of her own.  You can take it FWIW.

Thanks for your honesty.

I think now a days, a general liberal arts degree is way less marketable than even 10 years ago. A lot of people on this forum went to college 10+ years ago, and the landscape of the job market has changed since then.

There's a reason why so many colleges are getting rid of English and other liberal arts majors.

I'm the ex-microsoft person. I think this can be true, but I think we do a disservice by not educating people about how various big firms work these days whereas we spend too much time talking about college admissions. It's the old "think more about the marriage than the wedding" advice.

I've mentored maybe 200 teens and young adults. It's amazing to me how many have granular knowledge about colleges: can weigh various aspects of admissions, understand where you can or cannot switch disciplines once you've arrived, can parse the COA numbers by adjusting what their personal travel costs will be vs published. They have DCUM-level knowledge on some of this. But for jobs .. they just take anything. Or they self-select out - "I don't have those skills". I got an email yesterday from a woman who graduated with a humanities degree three years ago (English, I think? Maybe philosophy?). She had a vision of the kind of job she wanted, but didn't see how she could get there. We discussed various options - building skills at this less desirable company, getting certification, etc. I pushed an idea of taking a different job at a One Specific Big Giant company with lots of opportunity. I had to explain it to her in college admissions speak - this place will let you in as an English major and allow you to switch to Business. Some places won't, this one will. So instead of getting an entry level job in her area at Okay company, she could get a totally different job at Big Giant company. She was dubious, but did it (she got an event planning role) and three years later, this week, she's pivoting into the area she wants at the company she wants. Naturally, a couple years in she shifted what her dream job was very slightly. Even then, she said "it's like I'm changing my major". It's still all college speak!. Also, she's been making pretty good money the entire time.

idk.. but a lot of the algorithm used by recruiters look for specific majors.

In any case, per the OP, most jobs for liberal arts majors with just an undergrad don't make much.

1. An liberal arts major just fine for event planning first job

2. Algorithm has work arounds, ie typing in white.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?

getting paid $300K is nothing to sneeze at, even better with no loans for advanced degrees and work/life balance.

You can easily get a six figure job with an undergrad in majors like CS and engineering without a masters.

If one wants to major in liberal arts, they should go into it with eyes wide open, namely that, chances are, 1. you won't be able to find a job that pays enough to live independently or 2. you'll need an advanced degree (and for many, that means taking out loans) to get a decent paying job.

As long as you are 26 forever this is a great plan, what happens when you are 46 and the boss is asking why haven’t you kept up to date with your degrees and sorry the job needs a Masters now. Best of luck with your future endeavors.

If you have a lib arts undergrad degree and are smart you don’t pay for grad school. Academics get funded through postdoc. Your company should be paying for your MBA/MPA.

Only Lawyers and Physicians pay big out of pocket.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only say about my DS and DD, both graduated from Ivies with liberal arts degrees and they are not making a lot of money.  One is still living at home with us four years after graduation.  The other one is living with a roommate because she can't afford to have a place of her own.  You can take it FWIW.

Thanks for your honesty.

I think now a days, a general liberal arts degree is way less marketable than even 10 years ago. A lot of people on this forum went to college 10+ years ago, and the landscape of the job market has changed since then.

There's a reason why so many colleges are getting rid of English and other liberal arts majors.

I'm the ex-microsoft person. I think this can be true, but I think we do a disservice by not educating people about how various big firms work these days whereas we spend too much time talking about college admissions. It's the old "think more about the marriage than the wedding" advice.

I've mentored maybe 200 teens and young adults. It's amazing to me how many have granular knowledge about colleges: can weigh various aspects of admissions, understand where you can or cannot switch disciplines once you've arrived, can parse the COA numbers by adjusting what their personal travel costs will be vs published. They have DCUM-level knowledge on some of this. But for jobs .. they just take anything. Or they self-select out - "I don't have those skills". I got an email yesterday from a woman who graduated with a humanities degree three years ago (English, I think? Maybe philosophy?). She had a vision of the kind of job she wanted, but didn't see how she could get there. We discussed various options - building skills at this less desirable company, getting certification, etc. I pushed an idea of taking a different job at a One Specific Big Giant company with lots of opportunity. I had to explain it to her in college admissions speak - this place will let you in as an English major and allow you to switch to Business. Some places won't, this one will. So instead of getting an entry level job in her area at Okay company, she could get a totally different job at Big Giant company. She was dubious, but did it (she got an event planning role) and three years later, this week, she's pivoting into the area she wants at the company she wants. Naturally, a couple years in she shifted what her dream job was very slightly. Even then, she said "it's like I'm changing my major". It's still all college speak!. Also, she's been making pretty good money the entire time.

idk.. but a lot of the algorithm used by recruiters look for specific majors.

In any case, per the OP, most jobs for liberal arts majors with just an undergrad don't make much.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?

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Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?

getting paid $300K is nothing to sneeze at, even better with no loans for advanced degrees and work/life balance.

You can easily get a six figure job with an undergrad in majors like CS and engineering without a masters.

If one wants to major in liberal arts, they should go into it with eyes wide open, namely that, chances are, 1. you won't be able to find a job that pays enough to live independently or 2. you'll need an advanced degree (and for many, that means taking out loans) to get a decent paying job.

As long as you are 26 forever this is a great plan, what happens when you are 46 and the boss is asking why haven’t you kept up to date with your degrees and sorry the job needs a Masters now. Best of luck with your future endeavors.

If you have a lib arts undergrad degree and are smart you don’t pay for grad school. Academics get funded through postdoc. Your company should be paying for your MBA/MPA.

Only Lawyers and Physicians pay big out of pocket.

Anonymous wrote:For people of certain mentalities, math/science jobs are the only “real” ones because they have “right answers” so everything else is underwater basket weaving and unnecessary for the functioning of society.

Probably just a coincidence that these disciplines/professions are OVERWHELMINGLY White and Male.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?

getting paid $300K is nothing to sneeze at, even better with no loans for advanced degrees and work/life balance.

You can easily get a six figure job with an undergrad in majors like CS and engineering without a masters.

If one wants to major in liberal arts, they should go into it with eyes wide open, namely that, chances are, 1. you won't be able to find a job that pays enough to live independently or 2. you'll need an advanced degree (and for many, that means taking out loans) to get a decent paying job.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?

Anonymous wrote:For people of certain mentalities, math/science jobs are the only “real” ones because they have “right answers” so everything else is underwater basket weaving and unnecessary for the functioning of society.

Probably just a coincidence that these disciplines/professions are OVERWHELMINGLY White and Male.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a number of librarians making $150,000 a year approximately. But this is requires an advanced degree in library science/information science.

so, again, you need an advanced degree to get a good paying job if you major in some liberal arts in undergrad.

If you plan to into a real profession, you can’t get into it without grad school. And you wont get into grad school from a two year trade school or school of secretarial science unless your some kind of diamond in the rough and you have a sponsor.

I think the vision here is you get a STEM degree (NO LIBERAL ARTS) and somehow go your entire career without any further education or training, you just code for $300k a year forever at Google.

Every serious engineer I’ve ever met has at a minimum a Masters (many have two, or a PhD), any top corporate manager has an MBA, government officials are SMEs with subject area Masters or have a MPA/MPP, what is the high prestige/high pay career where a BS in Computer Science is the terminal degree?

I guess “startup founder” but you don’t even need a BA for that, and 99.9% of those aren’t the next Facebook or Google, so what exactly is the plan here?