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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

Please. LGBTQ people or POC with conservative values are definitely not welcome in blue states. You only support people's "right to exist" when they agree with you.

Gay, conservative, Hispanic Representative George Santos from New York says liar, liar pants on fire

You realize his name isn't even George Santos, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Thank you for the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

Please. LGBTQ people or POC with conservative values are definitely not welcome in blue states. You only support people's "right to exist" when they agree with you.

Gay, conservative, Hispanic Representative George Santos from New York says liar, liar pants on fire

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Well stated. And, bonus points for the citations.
But, your well reasoned and well expressed post will not stop people here from calling you "forced birther" or even imply you are racist. It has already happened. It is who they are.
I agree with everything you said. I have two kids. One lives in FL and loves it. And, we love visiting the family when we can.
Isn't it crazy that most any discussion on this board somehow always turns into a discussion about abortion? It is like an obsession with people here. And, the ironic thing is the most - if not all of them - live in states or in DC where there are no limits on abortion.

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals care about other people. So there are states that are greatly impinging on women and girls' rights to bodily autonomy, and that means we liberals in other states actually care about what happens to those girls and women. Unlike conservatives whose thinking is more along the lines of "I've got mine, too bad for you."

Prove me wrong!

Liberals do not care about those people in the womb. Many of those are girls as well.

We note with wryness your reduction of a woman are girl to a “womb.”

And yes we prioritize the girl or woman already in the world, living and breathing, over the zygote or fetus in her uterus, that is completely dependent on that uterus and the person to whom it belongs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.

Please describe how he trying to erase them. Be specific.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Well stated. And, bonus points for the citations.
But, your well reasoned and well expressed post will not stop people here from calling you "forced birther" or even imply you are racist. It has already happened. It is who they are.
I agree with everything you said. I have two kids. One lives in FL and loves it. And, we love visiting the family when we can.
Isn't it crazy that most any discussion on this board somehow always turns into a discussion about abortion? It is like an obsession with people here. And, the ironic thing is the most - if not all of them - live in states or in DC where there are no limits on abortion.

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals care about other people. So there are states that are greatly impinging on women and girls' rights to bodily autonomy, and that means we liberals in other states actually care about what happens to those girls and women. Unlike conservatives whose thinking is more along the lines of "I've got mine, too bad for you."

Prove me wrong!

Liberals do not care about those people in the womb. Many of those are girls as well.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

We note with wryness your reduction of a woman are girl to a “womb.”

And yes we prioritize the girl or woman already in the world, living and breathing, over the zygote or fetus in her uterus, that is dependent on that uterus and the person to whom it belongs to become a person.

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Well stated. And, bonus points for the citations.
But, your well reasoned and well expressed post will not stop people here from calling you "forced birther" or even imply you are racist. It has already happened. It is who they are.
I agree with everything you said. I have two kids. One lives in FL and loves it. And, we love visiting the family when we can.
Isn't it crazy that most any discussion on this board somehow always turns into a discussion about abortion? It is like an obsession with people here. And, the ironic thing is the most - if not all of them - live in states or in DC where there are no limits on abortion.

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals care about other people. So there are states that are greatly impinging on women and girls' rights to bodily autonomy, and that means we liberals in other states actually care about what happens to those girls and women. Unlike conservatives whose thinking is more along the lines of "I've got mine, too bad for you."

Prove me wrong!

Liberals do not care about those people in the womb. Many of those are girls as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

Please. LGBTQ people or POC with conservative values are definitely not welcome in blue states. You only support people's "right to exist" when they agree with you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Well stated. And, bonus points for the citations.
But, your well reasoned and well expressed post will not stop people here from calling you "forced birther" or even imply you are racist. It has already happened. It is who they are.
I agree with everything you said. I have two kids. One lives in FL and loves it. And, we love visiting the family when we can.
Isn't it crazy that most any discussion on this board somehow always turns into a discussion about abortion? It is like an obsession with people here. And, the ironic thing is the most - if not all of them - live in states or in DC where there are no limits on abortion.

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals care about other people. So there are states that are greatly impinging on women and girls' rights to bodily autonomy, and that means we liberals in other states actually care about what happens to those girls and women. Unlike conservatives whose thinking is more along the lines of "I've got mine, too bad for you."

Prove me wrong!

Liberals do not care about those people in the womb. Many of those are girls as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

It sounds like you want your daughter to get her Mrs. Degree, instead of ensuring she has access to quality education and make her own reproductive choices.

You might want to do some further research, beyond right-wing new sources, as single women tend to the best the happiest:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-happy-children-spouse-partner-relationship-unmarried-a8931816.html
https://www.indy100.com/news/women-happier-single-relationship-study
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-so-many-single-women-without-children-are-happy

I don't consider being a mother and a wife to be at odds with a quality education, and I find it strange and misogynistic that you do.

And yes, I've stated over and over that I don't look at a college and ask myself, "yes, but how efficiently can the women get abortions?" This is a bizarre lens through which to view colleges. Especially when birth control is a thing.

Birth control can fail.
Fetal anomalies incompatible with life are a thing that can happen to anyone.
There are a multitude of conditions that can occur during pregnancy and threaten a woman’s health/life.
Why would I want my DDs to live in a state that may prove a hindrance to receiving appropriate, timely health care?

DP. You are obsessed with the topic of abortion, so much so that you drop it into every.single.thread. Should we report you for being grossly off-topic?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Well stated. And, bonus points for the citations.
But, your well reasoned and well expressed post will not stop people here from calling you "forced birther" or even imply you are racist. It has already happened. It is who they are.
I agree with everything you said. I have two kids. One lives in FL and loves it. And, we love visiting the family when we can.
Isn't it crazy that most any discussion on this board somehow always turns into a discussion about abortion? It is like an obsession with people here. And, the ironic thing is the most - if not all of them - live in states or in DC where there are no limits on abortion.

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals care about other people. So there are states that are greatly impinging on women and girls' rights to bodily autonomy, and that means we liberals in other states actually care about what happens to those girls and women. Unlike conservatives whose thinking is more along the lines of "I've got mine, too bad for you."

Prove me wrong!

Liberals do not care about those people in the womb. Many of those are girls as well.