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Anonymous wrote:I agree with previous poster who said he is a narcissist.

Intelligent, but nothing like as intelligent as he thinks he is, hence his subscription to all kinds of bs contrarian nonsense.

I think any time 4 separate women come forward with accusations like this, you have to take them very seriously. I believe them.

This. Withholding judgment after one accusation is prudent (and note I said "withholding judgment" not calling the accuser and liar). After four? Five?

One thing people don't seem to understand is that women do not profit from accusations like this. It is not financially beneficial to them (often the opposite, as the attention often forces them to hire people to help them) and it can often put them in harms way. It is miserable and vulnerable to tell people that something like this happened to you. I've done it and it's so hard because of the shame our society assigns to women who are raped or sexually abused.

The idea that being a rape accuser is someone a wonderful experience that many women seek out is nuts. Are there some people who may make false accusations in order to seek out sympathy or attention. Yes, though I should note anyone who does this is likely still a trauma survivor of some kind because it's not a rational choice. I suppose there are women who might make these accusations falsely to enact revenge, but because it so rarely works out for the accuser, I think this would be extremely misguided. It's likely to backfire and make people support the person you are trying to hurt, and you can ruin your own rep that way.

Most people who come forward with plausible, consistent stories of rape are doing so because they are tormented by the memory and trauma of it, worry their rapist could be hurting others, and hope that in telling their story, their rapist might face some consequences for what he did and that they might experience some closure. It takes guts to do this. The idea that five different women would say these things about the same guy and they'd all be lying? You really have to do some mental gymnastics to believe that would be the case.

I am always inclined to believe women who come forward with assault allegations, because I mostly agree with this, but, I agree with this as applies to the general population. People/women who put forth accusations against celebs are not necessarily “gen pop” - to have orbited the celebs in the first place they are likely attention and fame seeking by nature and I suspect have a higher incident of lying for gain (like another poster pointed out but with respect to the accused - there is probably a higher percentage of assaulters in the world of celebs vs gen pop bc they believe they can get away with it, are entitled, etc). Anyway, multiple women coming forward does not look good but I do try to keep an open mind.

Anonymous wrote:Either his drug-fueled days are catching up with him (meaning he really did assault these women)

or

He’s an easy target for fake allegations because everyone remembers his drug-fueled period.

Equally plausible.

He seems so earthy crunchy goody two shoes now. And he’s always seemed scrawny and weak.

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Anonymous wrote:So they 16 yr old admits to being in a 4 month relationship with him and is now crying foul. Don’t buy that storyline

Victim blaming- children can’t consent to be in a “relationship” with adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this is a conspiracy or these women simply regret having slept with him...what are they getting out of it? You think a bunch of unconnected women just woke up one day and decided to go through the trauma of coming forward with this? They're remaining anonymous, they're not seeking fame or a payout.

You sound like a bunch of idiots.

They get famous. They won’t stay anonymous. They want to see how it plays first.

The ignorance and idiocy of this statement. I would say I hope nothing like this ever happens to a woman you love but my guess is she will never exist.

This is how they want you to react.

I am a woman who has been sexually assaulted. It diminishes what happened to me when people cry wolf. When Hollywood starlets who didn’t make it sleep with famous people and then later have regrets? Cry me a river. I was sexually assaulted by a random stranger who cornered me and forced himself on me. It absolutely minimizes what I went through. It makes me feel like my experience is nothing and no one cares, even though it was much worse in reality.

Russell Brand didn’t need to corner a random stranger. That is so unplausible. He slept with a pulse who was receptive, he didn’t need unreceptive partners.

SA is about power. It's not about the ability to find a receptive partner.

Please use this as an opportunity to understand that not all victims had the same experience as you.

This. Plus one of the victims was 16 years old. That's a power imbalance right there.

Agree with this. But also I'm curious whether this PP would be part of the crowd that looks the other way when the guy is Woody Allen or Roman Polanski? Or are those situations fine because one of those underage victims married her predator and the other victim (who was 14 at the time) has "forgiven" him.

Anonymous wrote:I’d be willing to bet that 50% of men have sexually assaulted a woman at some point in time.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with previous poster who said he is a narcissist.

Intelligent, but nothing like as intelligent as he thinks he is, hence his subscription to all kinds of bs contrarian nonsense.

I think any time 4 separate women come forward with accusations like this, you have to take them very seriously. I believe them.

This. Withholding judgment after one accusation is prudent (and note I said "withholding judgment" not calling the accuser and liar). After four? Five?

One thing people don't seem to understand is that women do not profit from accusations like this. It is not financially beneficial to them (often the opposite, as the attention often forces them to hire people to help them) and it can often put them in harms way. It is miserable and vulnerable to tell people that something like this happened to you. I've done it and it's so hard because of the shame our society assigns to women who are raped or sexually abused.

The idea that being a rape accuser is someone a wonderful experience that many women seek out is nuts. Are there some people who may make false accusations in order to seek out sympathy or attention. Yes, though I should note anyone who does this is likely still a trauma survivor of some kind because it's not a rational choice. I suppose there are women who might make these accusations falsely to enact revenge, but because it so rarely works out for the accuser, I think this would be extremely misguided. It's likely to backfire and make people support the person you are trying to hurt, and you can ruin your own rep that way.

Most people who come forward with plausible, consistent stories of rape are doing so because they are tormented by the memory and trauma of it, worry their rapist could be hurting others, and hope that in telling their story, their rapist might face some consequences for what he did and that they might experience some closure. It takes guts to do this. The idea that five different women would say these things about the same guy and they'd all be lying? You really have to do some mental gymnastics to believe that would be the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this is a conspiracy or these women simply regret having slept with him...what are they getting out of it? You think a bunch of unconnected women just woke up one day and decided to go through the trauma of coming forward with this? They're remaining anonymous, they're not seeking fame or a payout.

You sound like a bunch of idiots.

They get famous. They won’t stay anonymous. They want to see how it plays first.

The ignorance and idiocy of this statement. I would say I hope nothing like this ever happens to a woman you love but my guess is she will never exist.

This is how they want you to react.

I am a woman who has been sexually assaulted. It diminishes what happened to me when people cry wolf. When Hollywood starlets who didn’t make it sleep with famous people and then later have regrets? Cry me a river. I was sexually assaulted by a random stranger who cornered me and forced himself on me. It absolutely minimizes what I went through. It makes me feel like my experience is nothing and no one cares, even though it was much worse in reality.

Russell Brand didn’t need to corner a random stranger. That is so unplausible. He slept with a pulse who was receptive, he didn’t need unreceptive partners.

SA is about power. It's not about the ability to find a receptive partner.

Please use this as an opportunity to understand that not all victims had the same experience as you.

This. Plus one of the victims was 16 years old. That's a power imbalance right there.

Agree with this. But also I'm curious whether this PP would be part of the crowd that looks the other way when the guy is Woody Allen or Roman Polanski? Or are those situations fine because one of those underage victims married her predator and the other victim (who was 14 at the time) has "forgiven" him.

Are there really people who think Roman Polanski and Woody Allen are OK? I certainly don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this is a conspiracy or these women simply regret having slept with him...what are they getting out of it? You think a bunch of unconnected women just woke up one day and decided to go through the trauma of coming forward with this? They're remaining anonymous, they're not seeking fame or a payout.

You sound like a bunch of idiots.

They get famous. They won’t stay anonymous. They want to see how it plays first.

The ignorance and idiocy of this statement. I would say I hope nothing like this ever happens to a woman you love but my guess is she will never exist.

This is how they want you to react.

I am a woman who has been sexually assaulted. It diminishes what happened to me when people cry wolf. When Hollywood starlets who didn’t make it sleep with famous people and then later have regrets? Cry me a river. I was sexually assaulted by a random stranger who cornered me and forced himself on me. It absolutely minimizes what I went through. It makes me feel like my experience is nothing and no one cares, even though it was much worse in reality.

Russell Brand didn’t need to corner a random stranger. That is so unplausible. He slept with a pulse who was receptive, he didn’t need unreceptive partners.

SA is about power. It's not about the ability to find a receptive partner.

Please use this as an opportunity to understand that not all victims had the same experience as you.

This. Plus one of the victims was 16 years old. That's a power imbalance right there.

Agree with this. But also I'm curious whether this PP would be part of the crowd that looks the other way when the guy is Woody Allen or Roman Polanski? Or are those situations fine because one of those underage victims married her predator and the other victim (who was 14 at the time) has "forgiven" him.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who think this is a conspiracy or these women simply regret having slept with him...what are they getting out of it? You think a bunch of unconnected women just woke up one day and decided to go through the trauma of coming forward with this? They're remaining anonymous, they're not seeking fame or a payout.

You sound like a bunch of idiots.

They get famous. They won’t stay anonymous. They want to see how it plays first.

The ignorance and idiocy of this statement. I would say I hope nothing like this ever happens to a woman you love but my guess is she will never exist.

This is how they want you to react.

I am a woman who has been sexually assaulted. It diminishes what happened to me when people cry wolf. When Hollywood starlets who didn’t make it sleep with famous people and then later have regrets? Cry me a river. I was sexually assaulted by a random stranger who cornered me and forced himself on me. It absolutely minimizes what I went through. It makes me feel like my experience is nothing and no one cares, even though it was much worse in reality.

Russell Brand didn’t need to corner a random stranger. That is so unplausible. He slept with a pulse who was receptive, he didn’t need unreceptive partners.

SA is about power. It's not about the ability to find a receptive partner.

Please use this as an opportunity to understand that not all victims had the same experience as you.

This. Plus one of the victims was 16 years old. That's a power imbalance right there.

Anonymous wrote:UK-based Canadian comic Katherine Graham worked with Brand back in the day and there are reports that she basically flagged this without naming names years ago. She also called brand out during a show but it was edited out.

If you know KG, you know she doesn’t take $h!t from anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s hilarious and intelligent. And a sex addict. And a boundary-pusher.

I find him and Noel Fielding so funny on Countdown.

I don’t doubt many women regret having sex with him. And he may well have done all the things he is accused of. But I withhold judgment because SA has turned into a weaponized commodity, and I don’t trust it any longer. Especially against someone who fell out of fashion.

He has been so open about his sex addiction long before that was acceptable.

If 50% of men have sexually assaulted someone, we are dumbing down the definition of sexual assault to the point it minimizes/waters down the terrible experiences of actual victims. That is not OK.

This makes no sense.