Anonymous
09/17/2023 09:46
Subject: Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The student in question has been on social media talking about, too. I think it's great he's speaking up for himself.
And his father has been talking to the media as well.
Not ok as well.
It's OK in USA where individuals have fundamental rights.
"Legal" and "OK" are very different things.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 09:16
Subject: Fights at QO
Video
https://wjla.com/news/local/student-fight-quince-orchard-high-school-bullying-violence-juveniles-montgomery-county-social-media-video-injured-punched-investigation-teens-mcps-discipline
Doesn't show the start. Does show one kid charging at the other, who is backed against the wall, and multiple kids are pulling the attacker away. At the start of the video, the defender doesn't look hurt yet (but it's not clear)
It's much better than the cases where kids stand around in a circle while someone(s) is getting hit.
https://wjla.com/news/local/student-fight-quince-orchard-high-school-bullying-violence-juveniles-montgomery-county-social-media-video-injured-punched-investigation-teens-mcps-discipline
Doesn't show the start. Does show one kid charging at the other, who is backed against the wall, and multiple kids are pulling the attacker away. At the start of the video, the defender doesn't look hurt yet (but it's not clear)
It's much better than the cases where kids stand around in a circle while someone(s) is getting hit.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 09:06
Subject: Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The student in question has been on social media talking about, too. I think it's great he's speaking up for himself.
And his father has been talking to the media as well.
Not ok as well.
It's OK in USA where individuals have fundamental rights.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 09:04
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The video I saw didn’t involve anyone getting “punched out.” Perhaps there’s a longer version I didn’t see?
I assume the football player holding the other end of the banner is the other student who was involved in the altercation? The principal is treating this like two kids who got into a fight are taking responsibility for their actions, have worked out some understanding, and no longer have a beef. Everyone else is exploiting the fact that (allegedly) one of the students has autism. I’m the parent of a high school student who is on the spectrum. It feels to me like posters who keep bringing up autism have their own agenda.
+1 Kids with autism can still start fights. I don't know what happened in that video, except that it starts mid-fight and both kids get some licks in, but it would be ludicious to assume that a child with autism could not have possibly been an equal party to a conflict, or that any conflict that involves a student on the spectrum is "bullying."
Autistic kids are kids. Sometimes kids get into fights that are not bullying. Therefore, by the transitive property, sometimes autistic kids get into fights that are not bullying.
Parent of autistic children here. You dont get it and are reinforcing my point.
Autistics kids are not just kids. They are kids who lack insight into how things they say and do will be perceived by others. Thats the crux of the disability. An autistic kid "starting a fight" implies they have the ability to know that what they are saying or doing will provoke the other person. They do not.
On top of that, they lack the ability to regulate their emotions. So when they are provoked by another person they are not prepared to "debug" which is a de-escalation strategy taught elementary age students. They have an extremely difficult time learning how not to provoke people, how to not be provoked or they learn to be quiet and limit interactions with other people.
You know who else has trouble regulating emotions? Anyone who throws a punch for non-profit motive or in pursuit of a rational goal.
Plenty of people are in prison or dead because their parents weren't rich enough to get them a diagnosis before the police got to them first.
Having a specific diagnosis doesn't mean that no one without a specific diagnosis has mental issues, nor is it a justification to start a fight.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 09:01
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The video I saw didn’t involve anyone getting “punched out.” Perhaps there’s a longer version I didn’t see?
I assume the football player holding the other end of the banner is the other student who was involved in the altercation? The principal is treating this like two kids who got into a fight are taking responsibility for their actions, have worked out some understanding, and no longer have a beef. Everyone else is exploiting the fact that (allegedly) one of the students has autism. I’m the parent of a high school student who is on the spectrum. It feels to me like posters who keep bringing up autism have their own agenda.
+1 Kids with autism can still start fights. I don't know what happened in that video, except that it starts mid-fight and both kids get some licks in, but it would be ludicious to assume that a child with autism could not have possibly been an equal party to a conflict, or that any conflict that involves a student on the spectrum is "bullying."
Autistic kids are kids. Sometimes kids get into fights that are not bullying. Therefore, by the transitive property, sometimes autistic kids get into fights that are not bullying.
That's not how the transitive property works.
Venezuelans are people. Some people walk on the moon. Therefore some Venezuelans walk on the moon?
Anonymous
09/15/2023 17:41
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Basically, the principal is only worried about the optics…couldn’t care less about the school except if it concerns football.
Just mind baffling how she turned around a hallway attack into a PR move at a football game.
After watching the initial video where the student stopped the attack I actually came away with a good feeling about the school. But that feeling was completely reversed after that PR stunt. I feel like he was victimized again. And by the people charged with taking care of him
Anonymous
09/15/2023 17:18
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Basically, the principal is only worried about the optics…couldn’t care less about the school except if it concerns football.
Just mind baffling how she turned around a hallway attack into a PR move at a football game.
Exactly.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 17:18
Subject: Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The student in question has been on social media talking about, too. I think it's great he's speaking up for himself.
And his father has been talking to the media as well.
Not ok as well.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 17:13
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Basically, the principal is only worried about the optics…couldn’t care less about the school except if it concerns football.
Just mind baffling how she turned around a hallway attack into a PR move at a football game.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 17:02
Subject: Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:The student in question has been on social media talking about, too. I think it's great he's speaking up for himself.
And his father has been talking to the media as well.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 16:28
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Basically, the principal is only worried about the optics…couldn’t care less about the school except if it concerns football.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 16:18
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The video I saw didn’t involve anyone getting “punched out.” Perhaps there’s a longer version I didn’t see?
I assume the football player holding the other end of the banner is the other student who was involved in the altercation? The principal is treating this like two kids who got into a fight are taking responsibility for their actions, have worked out some understanding, and no longer have a beef. Everyone else is exploiting the fact that (allegedly) one of the students has autism. I’m the parent of a high school student who is on the spectrum. It feels to me like posters who keep bringing up autism have their own agenda.
+1 Kids with autism can still start fights. I don't know what happened in that video, except that it starts mid-fight and both kids get some licks in, but it would be ludicious to assume that a child with autism could not have possibly been an equal party to a conflict, or that any conflict that involves a student on the spectrum is "bullying."
Autistic kids are kids. Sometimes kids get into fights that are not bullying. Therefore, by the transitive property, sometimes autistic kids get into fights that are not bullying.
Parent of autistic children here. You dont get it and are reinforcing my point.
Autistics kids are not just kids. They are kids who lack insight into how things they say and do will be perceived by others. Thats the crux of the disability. An autistic kid "starting a fight" implies they have the ability to know that what they are saying or doing will provoke the other person. They do not.
On top of that, they lack the ability to regulate their emotions. So when they are provoked by another person they are not prepared to "debug" which is a de-escalation strategy taught elementary age students. They have an extremely difficult time learning how not to provoke people, how to not be provoked or they learn to be quiet and limit interactions with other people.
This may be the result the autism spectrum being overly broad, but I assure you that if my autistic child said something incendiary enough that someone else started punching them (as opposed to punches being thrown completely at random), my child would most likely know exactly why they were being punched. I have no idea what was going through the minds of the boys in the video, but I know you are incorrect to assume that you know a particular person’s skill set just because you know they have an ASD diagnosis.
No. The student is in the Asperger's program which is difficult to gain admittance to. He would have to show a great need to be in the program including great social skill deficiency.
I really don’t like how much information is being disclosed publicly about one particular student. He doesn’t deserve to have a spotlight on him.
Agree. It was horrific that the principal posted a picture of the student. Mcps should not be posting pictures like that. It shocks me when staff have no boundaries.
I don’t care what was said. An assault like that was not ok. And where were the adults?
Anonymous
09/15/2023 15:10
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Looks like the football player that stopped the fight has taken him under his wing. That's a great outcome.
That’s a great after school special you’re writing there. It’s too bad Hollywood is on strike or that could be in Lifetime in a few weeks.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 15:05
Subject: Fights at QO
The student in question has been on social media talking about, too. I think it's great he's speaking up for himself.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 14:52
Subject: Re:Fights at QO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The video I saw didn’t involve anyone getting “punched out.” Perhaps there’s a longer version I didn’t see?
I assume the football player holding the other end of the banner is the other student who was involved in the altercation? The principal is treating this like two kids who got into a fight are taking responsibility for their actions, have worked out some understanding, and no longer have a beef. Everyone else is exploiting the fact that (allegedly) one of the students has autism. I’m the parent of a high school student who is on the spectrum. It feels to me like posters who keep bringing up autism have their own agenda.
+1 Kids with autism can still start fights. I don't know what happened in that video, except that it starts mid-fight and both kids get some licks in, but it would be ludicious to assume that a child with autism could not have possibly been an equal party to a conflict, or that any conflict that involves a student on the spectrum is "bullying."
Autistic kids are kids. Sometimes kids get into fights that are not bullying. Therefore, by the transitive property, sometimes autistic kids get into fights that are not bullying.
Parent of autistic children here. You dont get it and are reinforcing my point.
Autistics kids are not just kids. They are kids who lack insight into how things they say and do will be perceived by others. Thats the crux of the disability. An autistic kid "starting a fight" implies they have the ability to know that what they are saying or doing will provoke the other person. They do not.
On top of that, they lack the ability to regulate their emotions. So when they are provoked by another person they are not prepared to "debug" which is a de-escalation strategy taught elementary age students. They have an extremely difficult time learning how not to provoke people, how to not be provoked or they learn to be quiet and limit interactions with other people.
This may be the result the autism spectrum being overly broad, but I assure you that if my autistic child said something incendiary enough that someone else started punching them (as opposed to punches being thrown completely at random), my child would most likely know exactly why they were being punched. I have no idea what was going through the minds of the boys in the video, but I know you are incorrect to assume that you know a particular person’s skill set just because you know they have an ASD diagnosis.
No. The student is in the Asperger's program which is difficult to gain admittance to. He would have to show a great need to be in the program including great social skill deficiency.
I really don’t like how much information is being disclosed publicly about one particular student. He doesn’t deserve to have a spotlight on him.
His parents gave interviews and the principal ans the mayor tweeted his picture with the principal saying "make it go viral ." A student who claims to be a friend of the student who assaulted him has also been on social.media giving his side and details.