Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The poster claiming that Hebrew schools are white is also being offensive because for most of history jewish people have not being viewed as white and most people don’t consider themselves so.
Sephardic Jews do not look white and there are plenty of them in the US and it is also offensive to gloss over them being white to support your point. Many of them look darker and the ones from Latin America look like the population there.
Reform Judaism does not focus solely on the religious component of it, they believe in the tribe too and but has expanded the definition. Whether you agree or not it is now the largest growing Jewish group and the movie is a reflection of what their synagogues are like.
Sephardic Jews do not look substantially different from Ashkenazi Jews. And none of us look that different from Italians, Lebanese Christians, or Algerians.
"The ones from Latin America" look like the communities their grandparents immigrated from in (usually) Eastern or Southern Europe.
Anonymous wrote:The poster claiming that Hebrew schools are white is also being offensive because for most of history jewish people have not being viewed as white and most people don’t consider themselves so.
Sephardic Jews do not look white and there are plenty of them in the US and it is also offensive to gloss over them being white to support your point. Many of them look darker and the ones from Latin America look like the population there.
Reform Judaism does not focus solely on the religious component of it, they believe in the tribe too and but has expanded the definition. Whether you agree or not it is now the largest growing Jewish group and the movie is a reflection of what their synagogues are like.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband is Jewish and he rolled his eyes at the tremendous diversity in the Hebrew school scenes. While we understand and support representation in movies, it wasn’t realistic and to a certain extent co-opts what is a singular Jewish experience. (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight.)
He also pointed out that Jewish mothers spend a year+ planning the event (while the movie made it seem like they are thrown together, including shopping for the dress at the last minute).
I would have loved to see Sara Silverman or Seinfeld or another Jewish comedian make a cameo. Missed opportunity.
I was very distracted by this.
It's so sad that diversity throws off some posters. I love to see it in movies and it makes more people feel included.
We've watched it twice with groups of middle schoolers who could not get enough. Watching it the second time I caught more cute details that really cement this one as a quotable classic. I think it will be one they all watch several times.
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Diversity isn’t throwing off viewers.
Rather, actual Jewish people thought it was odd to see so much diversity at Hebrew school. The film centers around scenes at Hebrew school, which is a unique rite of passage for Jewish people.
Beyond being unrealistic—which is expected to a large degree with Hollywood films—it simply isn’t representative of *Jewish people* and their experience.
That’s legit criticism.
A few (adopted) Asian kids would have made sense. But black kids at Hebrew school? Latinos? Not a chance…especially in NJ.
From a reform synagogue on the west coast and the Hebrew school is pretty diverse. There are Asian, black and hispanic looking kids, mostly through intermarriage. So I don’t see it out of the norm.
In fact thinking about it there’s a teaching assistant in one of the Hebrew classes that is black and the another that has Hispanic heritage. Not every Jewish experience is white focused.
But about 98% of Jews are white. And we all know the reason for the multicultural cast wasn’t to provide a realistic representation of today’s Jewish population. It was done for the same reason as every other movie shows diversity in roles where it doesn’t make sense, so as not to receive scathing criticism from the diversity police.
But it doesn’t have to represent all Jewish people everywhere. It’s set in one diverse school in a diverse area. Other settings would look different.
+1 I am from NY and I definitely see non-White Jews. I'm not saying it's common, but it's also not shocking.
It was definitely pumped up in the movie, and I think that's a good thing. Through intermarriage and conversion- yes, the Jewish people can and will see more diversity. It's not the same thing as filming Africans in Roots.
I remember when Schitt's Creek came to a close, they did that documentary where they explained, "what if we just had a world where there is no such thing as homophobia? the world as it should be."
I think this is similar. I don't have an agenda to remove European bloodlines from Judaism, and neither do the creators of this move. But if they want to show a world where a Jewish American community has a lot of diversity and is proud of it, good for them.
Conversion is not encouraged, mixed marriages are frowned upon
Blood lines matter in Judaism. That might not fit the narrative of Hollywood but it is what it is
Most Jewish communities are proud of being Jewish, not diversity
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone experienced what it is like to be a shiksa in conservative, orthodox community?
My guess is that that person would most likely not be invited to Bat Mitzvah
This story doesn’t address the financial hardship of hosting these parties
Imagine if the family was to experience unemployment at the same time, or if one earning parent had to go and be on disability
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband is Jewish and he rolled his eyes at the tremendous diversity in the Hebrew school scenes. While we understand and support representation in movies, it wasn’t realistic and to a certain extent co-opts what is a singular Jewish experience. (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight.)
He also pointed out that Jewish mothers spend a year+ planning the event (while the movie made it seem like they are thrown together, including shopping for the dress at the last minute).
I would have loved to see Sara Silverman or Seinfeld or another Jewish comedian make a cameo. Missed opportunity.
I was very distracted by this.
It's so sad that diversity throws off some posters. I love to see it in movies and it makes more people feel included.
We've watched it twice with groups of middle schoolers who could not get enough. Watching it the second time I caught more cute details that really cement this one as a quotable classic. I think it will be one they all watch several times.
?
Diversity isn’t throwing off viewers.
Rather, actual Jewish people thought it was odd to see so much diversity at Hebrew school. The film centers around scenes at Hebrew school, which is a unique rite of passage for Jewish people.
Beyond being unrealistic—which is expected to a large degree with Hollywood films—it simply isn’t representative of *Jewish people* and their experience.
That’s legit criticism.
A few (adopted) Asian kids would have made sense. But black kids at Hebrew school? Latinos? Not a chance…especially in NJ.
From a reform synagogue on the west coast and the Hebrew school is pretty diverse. There are Asian, black and hispanic looking kids, mostly through intermarriage. So I don’t see it out of the norm.
In fact thinking about it there’s a teaching assistant in one of the Hebrew classes that is black and the another that has Hispanic heritage. Not every Jewish experience is white focused.
But about 98% of Jews are white. And we all know the reason for the multicultural cast wasn’t to provide a realistic representation of today’s Jewish population. It was done for the same reason as every other movie shows diversity in roles where it doesn’t make sense, so as not to receive scathing criticism from the diversity police.
But it doesn’t have to represent all Jewish people everywhere. It’s set in one diverse school in a diverse area. Other settings would look different.
+1 I am from NY and I definitely see non-White Jews. I'm not saying it's common, but it's also not shocking.
It was definitely pumped up in the movie, and I think that's a good thing. Through intermarriage and conversion- yes, the Jewish people can and will see more diversity. It's not the same thing as filming Africans in Roots.
I remember when Schitt's Creek came to a close, they did that documentary where they explained, "what if we just had a world where there is no such thing as homophobia? the world as it should be."
I think this is similar. I don't have an agenda to remove European bloodlines from Judaism, and neither do the creators of this move. But if they want to show a world where a Jewish American community has a lot of diversity and is proud of it, good for them.
Conversion is not encouraged, mixed marriages are frowned upon
Blood lines matter in Judaism. That might not fit the narrative of Hollywood but it is what it is
Most Jewish communities are proud of being Jewish, not diversity
That’s your version of Judaism. As as this movie reflects the reality of Judaism in America is much different. And many Jewish communities consider these converts and mixed marriages Jewish.
Maybe some reformed temples do, but most do not.
Signed,
Catholic woman married to a Jew by a priest and Jewish cantor at a neutral site who was straight up told my kids wouldn’t be Jewish since I wasn’t and the faith follows the mother’s bloodline
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And considering there are Ethiopian Jews and Sephardic Jews and Jews from Latin America your version of Judaism being just white isn’t even accurate.
I know these people exist…but they aren’t typically in NJ Hebrew schools…where this movie is set.
ICYMI: the Jewish faith…like virtually all religions…is segregated based on belief/faith. Temples and Hebrew schools are cliquey.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband is Jewish and he rolled his eyes at the tremendous diversity in the Hebrew school scenes. While we understand and support representation in movies, it wasn’t realistic and to a certain extent co-opts what is a singular Jewish experience. (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight.)
He also pointed out that Jewish mothers spend a year+ planning the event (while the movie made it seem like they are thrown together, including shopping for the dress at the last minute).
I would have loved to see Sara Silverman or Seinfeld or another Jewish comedian make a cameo. Missed opportunity.
I was very distracted by this.
It's so sad that diversity throws off some posters. I love to see it in movies and it makes more people feel included.
We've watched it twice with groups of middle schoolers who could not get enough. Watching it the second time I caught more cute details that really cement this one as a quotable classic. I think it will be one they all watch several times.
?
Diversity isn’t throwing off viewers.
Rather, actual Jewish people thought it was odd to see so much diversity at Hebrew school. The film centers around scenes at Hebrew school, which is a unique rite of passage for Jewish people.
Beyond being unrealistic—which is expected to a large degree with Hollywood films—it simply isn’t representative of *Jewish people* and their experience.
That’s legit criticism.
A few (adopted) Asian kids would have made sense. But black kids at Hebrew school? Latinos? Not a chance…especially in NJ.
From a reform synagogue on the west coast and the Hebrew school is pretty diverse. There are Asian, black and hispanic looking kids, mostly through intermarriage. So I don’t see it out of the norm.
In fact thinking about it there’s a teaching assistant in one of the Hebrew classes that is black and the another that has Hispanic heritage. Not every Jewish experience is white focused.
But about 98% of Jews are white. And we all know the reason for the multicultural cast wasn’t to provide a realistic representation of today’s Jewish population. It was done for the same reason as every other movie shows diversity in roles where it doesn’t make sense, so as not to receive scathing criticism from the diversity police.
But it doesn’t have to represent all Jewish people everywhere. It’s set in one diverse school in a diverse area. Other settings would look different.
+1 I am from NY and I definitely see non-White Jews. I'm not saying it's common, but it's also not shocking.
It was definitely pumped up in the movie, and I think that's a good thing. Through intermarriage and conversion- yes, the Jewish people can and will see more diversity. It's not the same thing as filming Africans in Roots.
I remember when Schitt's Creek came to a close, they did that documentary where they explained, "what if we just had a world where there is no such thing as homophobia? the world as it should be."
I think this is similar. I don't have an agenda to remove European bloodlines from Judaism, and neither do the creators of this move. But if they want to show a world where a Jewish American community has a lot of diversity and is proud of it, good for them.
Conversion is not encouraged, mixed marriages are frowned upon
Blood lines matter in Judaism. That might not fit the narrative of Hollywood but it is what it is
Most Jewish communities are proud of being Jewish, not diversity
That’s your version of Judaism. As as this movie reflects the reality of Judaism in America is much different. And many Jewish communities consider these converts and mixed marriages Jewish.
Anonymous wrote:And considering there are Ethiopian Jews and Sephardic Jews and Jews from Latin America your version of Judaism being just white isn’t even accurate.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband is Jewish and he rolled his eyes at the tremendous diversity in the Hebrew school scenes. While we understand and support representation in movies, it wasn’t realistic and to a certain extent co-opts what is a singular Jewish experience. (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight.)
He also pointed out that Jewish mothers spend a year+ planning the event (while the movie made it seem like they are thrown together, including shopping for the dress at the last minute).
I would have loved to see Sara Silverman or Seinfeld or another Jewish comedian make a cameo. Missed opportunity.
I was very distracted by this.
It's so sad that diversity throws off some posters. I love to see it in movies and it makes more people feel included.
We've watched it twice with groups of middle schoolers who could not get enough. Watching it the second time I caught more cute details that really cement this one as a quotable classic. I think it will be one they all watch several times.
?
Diversity isn’t throwing off viewers.
Rather, actual Jewish people thought it was odd to see so much diversity at Hebrew school. The film centers around scenes at Hebrew school, which is a unique rite of passage for Jewish people.
Beyond being unrealistic—which is expected to a large degree with Hollywood films—it simply isn’t representative of *Jewish people* and their experience.
That’s legit criticism.
A few (adopted) Asian kids would have made sense. But black kids at Hebrew school? Latinos? Not a chance…especially in NJ.
From a reform synagogue on the west coast and the Hebrew school is pretty diverse. There are Asian, black and hispanic looking kids, mostly through intermarriage. So I don’t see it out of the norm.
In fact thinking about it there’s a teaching assistant in one of the Hebrew classes that is black and the another that has Hispanic heritage. Not every Jewish experience is white focused.
But about 98% of Jews are white. And we all know the reason for the multicultural cast wasn’t to provide a realistic representation of today’s Jewish population. It was done for the same reason as every other movie shows diversity in roles where it doesn’t make sense, so as not to receive scathing criticism from the diversity police.
But it doesn’t have to represent all Jewish people everywhere. It’s set in one diverse school in a diverse area. Other settings would look different.
+1 I am from NY and I definitely see non-White Jews. I'm not saying it's common, but it's also not shocking.
It was definitely pumped up in the movie, and I think that's a good thing. Through intermarriage and conversion- yes, the Jewish people can and will see more diversity. It's not the same thing as filming Africans in Roots.
I remember when Schitt's Creek came to a close, they did that documentary where they explained, "what if we just had a world where there is no such thing as homophobia? the world as it should be."
I think this is similar. I don't have an agenda to remove European bloodlines from Judaism, and neither do the creators of this move. But if they want to show a world where a Jewish American community has a lot of diversity and is proud of it, good for them.
Conversion is not encouraged, mixed marriages are frowned upon
Blood lines matter in Judaism. That might not fit the narrative of Hollywood but it is what it is
Most Jewish communities are proud of being Jewish, not diversity
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband is Jewish and he rolled his eyes at the tremendous diversity in the Hebrew school scenes. While we understand and support representation in movies, it wasn’t realistic and to a certain extent co-opts what is a singular Jewish experience. (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight.)
He also pointed out that Jewish mothers spend a year+ planning the event (while the movie made it seem like they are thrown together, including shopping for the dress at the last minute).
I would have loved to see Sara Silverman or Seinfeld or another Jewish comedian make a cameo. Missed opportunity.
I was very distracted by this.
It's so sad that diversity throws off some posters. I love to see it in movies and it makes more people feel included.
We've watched it twice with groups of middle schoolers who could not get enough. Watching it the second time I caught more cute details that really cement this one as a quotable classic. I think it will be one they all watch several times.
?
Diversity isn’t throwing off viewers.
Rather, actual Jewish people thought it was odd to see so much diversity at Hebrew school. The film centers around scenes at Hebrew school, which is a unique rite of passage for Jewish people.
Beyond being unrealistic—which is expected to a large degree with Hollywood films—it simply isn’t representative of *Jewish people* and their experience.
That’s legit criticism.
A few (adopted) Asian kids would have made sense. But black kids at Hebrew school? Latinos? Not a chance…especially in NJ.
From a reform synagogue on the west coast and the Hebrew school is pretty diverse. There are Asian, black and hispanic looking kids, mostly through intermarriage. So I don’t see it out of the norm.
In fact thinking about it there’s a teaching assistant in one of the Hebrew classes that is black and the another that has Hispanic heritage. Not every Jewish experience is white focused.
But about 98% of Jews are white. And we all know the reason for the multicultural cast wasn’t to provide a realistic representation of today’s Jewish population. It was done for the same reason as every other movie shows diversity in roles where it doesn’t make sense, so as not to receive scathing criticism from the diversity police.
But it doesn’t have to represent all Jewish people everywhere. It’s set in one diverse school in a diverse area. Other settings would look different.
+1 I am from NY and I definitely see non-White Jews. I'm not saying it's common, but it's also not shocking.
It was definitely pumped up in the movie, and I think that's a good thing. Through intermarriage and conversion- yes, the Jewish people can and will see more diversity. It's not the same thing as filming Africans in Roots.
I remember when Schitt's Creek came to a close, they did that documentary where they explained, "what if we just had a world where there is no such thing as homophobia? the world as it should be."
I think this is similar. I don't have an agenda to remove European bloodlines from Judaism, and neither do the creators of this move. But if they want to show a world where a Jewish American community has a lot of diversity and is proud of it, good for them.
Conversion is not encouraged, mixed marriages are frowned upon
Blood lines matter in Judaism. That might not fit the narrative of Hollywood but it is what it is
Most Jewish communities are proud of being Jewish, not diversity
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband is Jewish and he rolled his eyes at the tremendous diversity in the Hebrew school scenes. While we understand and support representation in movies, it wasn’t realistic and to a certain extent co-opts what is a singular Jewish experience. (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight.)
He also pointed out that Jewish mothers spend a year+ planning the event (while the movie made it seem like they are thrown together, including shopping for the dress at the last minute).
I would have loved to see Sara Silverman or Seinfeld or another Jewish comedian make a cameo. Missed opportunity.
I was very distracted by this.
It's so sad that diversity throws off some posters. I love to see it in movies and it makes more people feel included.
We've watched it twice with groups of middle schoolers who could not get enough. Watching it the second time I caught more cute details that really cement this one as a quotable classic. I think it will be one they all watch several times.
?
Diversity isn’t throwing off viewers.
Rather, actual Jewish people thought it was odd to see so much diversity at Hebrew school. The film centers around scenes at Hebrew school, which is a unique rite of passage for Jewish people.
Beyond being unrealistic—which is expected to a large degree with Hollywood films—it simply isn’t representative of *Jewish people* and their experience.
That’s legit criticism.
A few (adopted) Asian kids would have made sense. But black kids at Hebrew school? Latinos? Not a chance…especially in NJ.
From a reform synagogue on the west coast and the Hebrew school is pretty diverse. There are Asian, black and hispanic looking kids, mostly through intermarriage. So I don’t see it out of the norm.
In fact thinking about it there’s a teaching assistant in one of the Hebrew classes that is black and the another that has Hispanic heritage. Not every Jewish experience is white focused.
But about 98% of Jews are white. And we all know the reason for the multicultural cast wasn’t to provide a realistic representation of today’s Jewish population. It was done for the same reason as every other movie shows diversity in roles where it doesn’t make sense, so as not to receive scathing criticism from the diversity police.
But it doesn’t have to represent all Jewish people everywhere. It’s set in one diverse school in a diverse area. Other settings would look different.
+1 I am from NY and I definitely see non-White Jews. I'm not saying it's common, but it's also not shocking.
It was definitely pumped up in the movie, and I think that's a good thing. Through intermarriage and conversion- yes, the Jewish people can and will see more diversity. It's not the same thing as filming Africans in Roots.
I remember when Schitt's Creek came to a close, they did that documentary where they explained, "what if we just had a world where there is no such thing as homophobia? the world as it should be."
I think this is similar. I don't have an agenda to remove European bloodlines from Judaism, and neither do the creators of this move. But if they want to show a world where a Jewish American community has a lot of diversity and is proud of it, good for them.
Anonymous wrote:I work at a Jewish day school. There is diversity. Maybe not quite as much as is depicted here but I didn’t find it unrealistic. Think about increasing rates of intermarriage. We also have a small subset of Ethiopian Jews. Your idea of “realism” is a bit dated.