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Anonymous wrote:My kid entered a draft essay into an AI bot.
It’s now amazing.
And then we entered the result into an AI “test”…..and it passed and said 100% human generated.
The AI version really was better than the human version…it was a “why” essay with a lot of personalization.


I’m just shocked.

Yes many people do not understand AI or how it works. It will replace many white collar jobs- lawyers, analyst, etc.

Definitely no need to spend $3000, $5000 or more on any type of college essay advice! Have your kid write tons of drafts and put them into GPT4.
Then have them edit the refined result that comes out so it sounds even more like them. Keep doing that for a couple rounds.

Save yourself time and $$!

"Have your kid write tons of drafts [...] and then have them edit the refined result [...]. "

To me this has always been true for writing - before and after AI. AI editing may help, yes, but if High Schoolers and everyone else put in the work, good things will follow.

This is how everyone should use it. Not sure if they will though.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

But all the college essay editors I know do this….I mean that’s why ppl pay $5-10k

Just being honest.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

But all the college essay editors I know do this….I mean that’s why ppl pay $5-10k

Just being honest.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid entered a draft essay into an AI bot.
It’s now amazing.
And then we entered the result into an AI “test”…..and it passed and said 100% human generated.
The AI version really was better than the human version…it was a “why” essay with a lot of personalization.


I’m just shocked.

Yes many people do not understand AI or how it works. It will replace many white collar jobs- lawyers, analyst, etc.

Definitely no need to spend $3000, $5000 or more on any type of college essay advice! Have your kid write tons of drafts and put them into GPT4.
Then have them edit the refined result that comes out so it sounds even more like them. Keep doing that for a couple rounds.

Save yourself time and $$!

"Have your kid write tons of drafts [...] and then have them edit the refined result [...]. "

To me this has always been true for writing - before and after AI. AI editing may help, yes, but if High Schoolers and everyone else put in the work, good things will follow.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

It is now.

https://www.grammarly.com/business/learn/enterprise-grade-generative-ai/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

Anonymous wrote:I write things at work all the time and AI it and the results are much better than me spending an hour rewriting and having staff edit.

Also the content is not AI generated.

Interesting though I wrote something and the bot noticed there were 3 themes and structured it better to highlight the 3 themes I didn’t notice.

I actually don’t think having a bot edit is cheating.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

It is now.

https://www.grammarly.com/business/learn/enterprise-grade-generative-ai/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

Anonymous wrote:Soon the college application process will exclude standardized test scores, essays, demographic information, and anything else that might distinguish applicants due to cheating, favoritism, and/or discrimination.