Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I only find it weird when people use the term “preschool” for a kid under 3 who is clearly going to daycare. I always get the vibe that they’re self conscious that their kid is going to daycare so they rebrand it as “school.” I say this as someone with a kid in daycare—it’s not school and it’s not supposed to be.
So what should I call where my DD goes? Her childcare center starts at 18 months and offers part time and full time options that largely follow the public school calendar. In fact you apply for admission in the spring to start when school goes back. Summer enrollment is optional. The staff call themselves teachers and there is a curriculum. I call it her preschool because she thinks she is in school like her older sibling in public school. I’ve sent my oldest to a daycare that started at infant age so I have zero problems with daycare FWIW.
It just seems like people are unnecessarily trying to gate keep what can be called school when really the kids are learning at all sorts of centers. Personally I don’t really care if someone calls their childcare a daycare or a school.
Anonymous wrote:I only find it weird when people use the term “preschool” for a kid under 3 who is clearly going to daycare. I always get the vibe that they’re self conscious that their kid is going to daycare so they rebrand it as “school.” I say this as someone with a kid in daycare—it’s not school and it’s not supposed to be.
Anonymous wrote:Is learning for a high school senior the same as learning for a kindergarten? If not, how will people know that if they continue to insist that both of them attend "school"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
If you actually read the studies cited on this blog post you'll see "the data" is not nearly as definitive as the author makes it sound. Talk to any speech therapist that works with young toddlers and they will tell you many 1 year olds with expressive language delays magically start talking when they are in a group setting. Just because they aren't playing cooperatively yet doesn't mean they aren't learning from each other.
In my sample size one family, where my daughter had 1:1 and sometimes 2:1 (two teachers to her alone) care (COVID wasn’t bad for everything) I found she made huge strides when she spent time with her cousins compared to with adults alone. Babies are absolutely fascinated by other children. And everyone I know with two kids praises to the skies the benefits of the first child “teaching” the second potty training.
But also? It doesn’t matter. This isn’t about whether daycare and preschool are good options or whether we all should eat rice and beans and never travel to stay home with our kids.
This is about people who actually care what other parents call their childcare. And that’s nothing but sad. I can’t be angry at someone who has that little validating their parenting that this is what they’re fixed on.
I think it’s degrading to NOT use the appropriate language when talking about early childhood development, especially saying ‘it’s all interchangeable.’ It’s a very nuanced field and every stage has different developmental needs and milestones that must be met. insisting that your 2 yo is in in ‘school’ instead of childcare is irrational, because that’s not even an ideal environment for a 2yo. It just shows ignorance and probably guilt. Daycare and/or childcare should not be ‘dirty words.’ They are developmentally appropriate descriptions of care settings.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
Not your main point, but "ripping off" is harsh. They're just trying to give parents what parents expect and look for these days. Even my first child's small in-home daycare talked about learning opportunities. It's in the air.
Do some of you really believe that infants and young toddlers can't learn or benefit from being with adults that help them develop language, motor skills and social-emotional skills? Of course, a parent or nanny can do it, but so can a - you guessed it - a teacher!
Obviously, they can. That's not what anyone is saying.
The first pp specifically mentioned STEM activities. Learning at age 1 for the *average child* is obviously far different than academic learning at age 3.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
If you actually read the studies cited on this blog post you'll see "the data" is not nearly as definitive as the author makes it sound. Talk to any speech therapist that works with young toddlers and they will tell you many 1 year olds with expressive language delays magically start talking when they are in a group setting. Just because they aren't playing cooperatively yet doesn't mean they aren't learning from each other.
In my sample size one family, where my daughter had 1:1 and sometimes 2:1 (two teachers to her alone) care (COVID wasn’t bad for everything) I found she made huge strides when she spent time with her cousins compared to with adults alone. Babies are absolutely fascinated by other children. And everyone I know with two kids praises to the skies the benefits of the first child “teaching” the second potty training.
But also? It doesn’t matter. This isn’t about whether daycare and preschool are good options or whether we all should eat rice and beans and never travel to stay home with our kids.
This is about people who actually care what other parents call their childcare. And that’s nothing but sad. I can’t be angry at someone who has that little validating their parenting that this is what they’re fixed on.
I think it’s degrading to NOT use the appropriate language when talking about early childhood development, especially saying ‘it’s all interchangeable.’ It’s a very nuanced field and every stage has different developmental needs and milestones that must be met. insisting that your 2 yo is in in ‘school’ instead of childcare is irrational, because that’s not even an ideal environment for a 2yo. It just shows ignorance and probably guilt. Daycare and/or childcare should not be ‘dirty words.’ They are developmentally appropriate descriptions of care settings.
Once again child care professionals do not use the term "daycare" - it is not anymore appropriate than "school". Btw there are absolutely preschools near me that have half-day 2/3 days per week programs for 2 year olds. Even if daycare were an appropriate term in general it certainly would not apply to that.
There is literally a thread right below this one in which a mom at first thinks she either needs a nanny OR a preschool for her 2 yo and everyone explains that the pre-school does not equal daycare/childcare for working parents. So yes words DO matter and saying ‘it’s all interchangeable’ is confusing at best and even deliberately deceptive (by people trying to upsell group childcare) at worst.
I have always been a working mom. I have used various combos of daycares, Nannie’s, and preschools For my three kids under 7. All have pluses and minuses, and are family and kid-specific choices. But we need to be honest and realistic about distinguishing the needs of a 2 yo vs a 5 yo.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
Not your main point, but "ripping off" is harsh. They're just trying to give parents what parents expect and look for these days. Even my first child's small in-home daycare talked about learning opportunities. It's in the air.
Do some of you really believe that infants and young toddlers can't learn or benefit from being with adults that help them develop language, motor skills and social-emotional skills? Of course, a parent or nanny can do it, but so can a - you guessed it - a teacher!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
If you actually read the studies cited on this blog post you'll see "the data" is not nearly as definitive as the author makes it sound. Talk to any speech therapist that works with young toddlers and they will tell you many 1 year olds with expressive language delays magically start talking when they are in a group setting. Just because they aren't playing cooperatively yet doesn't mean they aren't learning from each other.
In my sample size one family, where my daughter had 1:1 and sometimes 2:1 (two teachers to her alone) care (COVID wasn’t bad for everything) I found she made huge strides when she spent time with her cousins compared to with adults alone. Babies are absolutely fascinated by other children. And everyone I know with two kids praises to the skies the benefits of the first child “teaching” the second potty training.
But also? It doesn’t matter. This isn’t about whether daycare and preschool are good options or whether we all should eat rice and beans and never travel to stay home with our kids.
This is about people who actually care what other parents call their childcare. And that’s nothing but sad. I can’t be angry at someone who has that little validating their parenting that this is what they’re fixed on.
I think it’s degrading to NOT use the appropriate language when talking about early childhood development, especially saying ‘it’s all interchangeable.’ It’s a very nuanced field and every stage has different developmental needs and milestones that must be met. insisting that your 2 yo is in in ‘school’ instead of childcare is irrational, because that’s not even an ideal environment for a 2yo. It just shows ignorance and probably guilt. Daycare and/or childcare should not be ‘dirty words.’ They are developmentally appropriate descriptions of care settings.
Once again child care professionals do not use the term "daycare" - it is not anymore appropriate than "school". Btw there are absolutely preschools near me that have half-day 2/3 days per week programs for 2 year olds. Even if daycare were an appropriate term in general it certainly would not apply to that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
Not your main point, but "ripping off" is harsh. They're just trying to give parents what parents expect and look for these days. Even my first child's small in-home daycare talked about learning opportunities. It's in the air.
Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
If you actually read the studies cited on this blog post you'll see "the data" is not nearly as definitive as the author makes it sound. Talk to any speech therapist that works with young toddlers and they will tell you many 1 year olds with expressive language delays magically start talking when they are in a group setting. Just because they aren't playing cooperatively yet doesn't mean they aren't learning from each other.
In my sample size one family, where my daughter had 1:1 and sometimes 2:1 (two teachers to her alone) care (COVID wasn’t bad for everything) I found she made huge strides when she spent time with her cousins compared to with adults alone. Babies are absolutely fascinated by other children. And everyone I know with two kids praises to the skies the benefits of the first child “teaching” the second potty training.
But also? It doesn’t matter. This isn’t about whether daycare and preschool are good options or whether we all should eat rice and beans and never travel to stay home with our kids.
This is about people who actually care what other parents call their childcare. And that’s nothing but sad. I can’t be angry at someone who has that little validating their parenting that this is what they’re fixed on.
I think it’s degrading to NOT use the appropriate language when talking about early childhood development, especially saying ‘it’s all interchangeable.’ It’s a very nuanced field and every stage has different developmental needs and milestones that must be met. insisting that your 2 yo is in in ‘school’ instead of childcare is irrational, because that’s not even an ideal environment for a 2yo. It just shows ignorance and probably guilt. Daycare and/or childcare should not be ‘dirty words.’ They are developmentally appropriate descriptions of care settings.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
If you actually read the studies cited on this blog post you'll see "the data" is not nearly as definitive as the author makes it sound. Talk to any speech therapist that works with young toddlers and they will tell you many 1 year olds with expressive language delays magically start talking when they are in a group setting. Just because they aren't playing cooperatively yet doesn't mean they aren't learning from each other.
In my sample size one family, where my daughter had 1:1 and sometimes 2:1 (two teachers to her alone) care (COVID wasn’t bad for everything) I found she made huge strides when she spent time with her cousins compared to with adults alone. Babies are absolutely fascinated by other children. And everyone I know with two kids praises to the skies the benefits of the first child “teaching” the second potty training.
But also? It doesn’t matter. This isn’t about whether daycare and preschool are good options or whether we all should eat rice and beans and never travel to stay home with our kids.
This is about people who actually care what other parents call their childcare. And that’s nothing but sad. I can’t be angry at someone who has that little validating their parenting that this is what they’re fixed on.
I think it’s degrading to NOT use the appropriate language when talking about early childhood development, especially saying ‘it’s all interchangeable.’ It’s a very nuanced field and every stage has different developmental needs and milestones that must be met. insisting that your 2 yo is in in ‘school’ instead of childcare is irrational, because that’s not even an ideal environment for a 2yo. It just shows ignorance and probably guilt. Daycare and/or childcare should not be ‘dirty words.’ They are developmentally appropriate descriptions of care settings.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The data just doesn’t support group learning before age 3 or so. If your goal is to ‘school’ a two year old you would hire a nanny because they are learning from a single caregiver and not from peers. The peers are only competitors for the caregivers attention. Any center that is trying to sell you on STEM classes for 2 year olds is ripping you off. They are usually just trying to distract you from the caregiver ratio.
Look for a high caregiver ratio not a curriculum or ‘school’ before age 3/4. Often an in-home daycare is better in this regard, frankly.
After age 3/4 they do learn from peers so there is definite benefit to a school environment.
Let’s just be honest about the tough choices all parents make and not let an industry try to sell us on non-evidence based nonsense.
https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4#:~:text=Children%20spending%20long%20hours%20in,negative%20effect%20on%20later%20behavior.
If you actually read the studies cited on this blog post you'll see "the data" is not nearly as definitive as the author makes it sound. Talk to any speech therapist that works with young toddlers and they will tell you many 1 year olds with expressive language delays magically start talking when they are in a group setting. Just because they aren't playing cooperatively yet doesn't mean they aren't learning from each other.
In my sample size one family, where my daughter had 1:1 and sometimes 2:1 (two teachers to her alone) care (COVID wasn’t bad for everything) I found she made huge strides when she spent time with her cousins compared to with adults alone. Babies are absolutely fascinated by other children. And everyone I know with two kids praises to the skies the benefits of the first child “teaching” the second potty training.
But also? It doesn’t matter. This isn’t about whether daycare and preschool are good options or whether we all should eat rice and beans and never travel to stay home with our kids.
This is about people who actually care what other parents call their childcare. And that’s nothing but sad. I can’t be angry at someone who has that little validating their parenting that this is what they’re fixed on.