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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

What’s it like—well, it depends completely on the specialty and on the doctor, and also on his or her career stage.

My husband is in a specialty and work environment that has regular hours. (This is the opposite of his late father, who was a private practice general surgeon.) The flip side is there are few jobs in my husband’s specialty, so when he changed jobs a few years ago he ended up with a long commute.

I think one difference between his job and my non medical desk job is that he does not have as much schedule control. Like if he wants to take time off, it’s not like he can do the work ahead of time and leave—someone else has to cover him, and that all needs to be worked out months ahead of time. This need for “coverage” is true in many professions, and not unique to medicine, but I feel like medicine tends to be more short staffed since doctors are expensive.

Also the potential consequences of any slip ups in healthcare have direct human and personal impact, so there is a higher stress level and awareness of liability issues. For example I often skimped on sleep, especially when we had young kids, but he insisted on always being well rested.

Being around illness and death all day definitely does change people. Some of the things DH described, back during residency especially, were horrific. That has two sides; if our kids were injured or something he wouldn’t be anxious or squeamish like I would but he wouldn’t be the person anyone would go to for empathy either. When my dad died I was broken; when his dad died he was able to cope much better since for him death was part of life.

We had to move a lot for his training back in the day—he did two fellowships. Those moves permanently impacted my career—I ended up in a respectable position, but not in the field I had trained in and wanted to do (I have a PhD, so I too spent a lot of time training.) Since we had kids, I had to stick to really flexible jobs. We ended up across the US from my hometown. I think most of these are general dual-career issues and I have made my peace with them—the flip side is that he does outearn me and we have financial stability now.

We live in a VHCOL city and despite dual income, we would not be able to afford significant household help. We live a normal upper middle class lifestyle. The rich people are the techbros.

So anyway what’s it like to be married to a doctor—your mileage may vary. It all depends on the doctor and their specific job and work environment.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

I think your schedule is fiction, but if not your life sounds absolutely miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

Because we don’t believe you.

I find that curious, but okay. Like I said, our hours are mild and we have plenty of free time.

“Mild” is 40 hours, not “60-80.”

And every time you double down and retype “curious,” you sound even more like a troll.

If you are used to 80+ hrs/week, only 40 is a vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Depends on the specialty. The cons I’ve noticed are that many have inflexible schedules and limited leave. Like, can’t get the day after Thanksgiving off, can’t get 2 weeks off at Xmas etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I always wondered what it was like for the wives of gynecologists.

There is nothing remotely sexy about conducting an internal exam (to me, the patient , anyway).

I did, though, once have a doctor ask me out after having performed a breast exam.

Which I now realize is way creepy!

Yes this is what I wondered. That is creepy, and your gyno should’ve known better…

Higher earning their specialty, bugger jerk they tend to be, specially women tend to develop delusion of grandeur. Us PCPs and pediatricians are more down to earth.

Most male doctors can manage to work because wives hold the fort. Females often don't have this luxury. Unless they are in lucrative specialties, they can't afford nannies, maids and house managers.

Divorce rate is higher for female physicians than for males.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that physicians in the lower earning bracket (pediatricians, family practice) are more likely to on average be decent human beings than physicians at the high end of the earning scale, and I think it's a personality thing. The high end is more likely to be occupied with Type A arseholes, than the bottom.

In my personal circle:

Female relative who is a pediatrician - divorced, husband was interested in someone he met at work and wanted out. Personality wise, she is very casual/laid back/not at all what you think of as a go-getter

Female friend married to a physician she met during residency - Met during residency, have been together over 20 years, still going strong. They are both really nice people that have not changed despite being somewhat sought after in their respective fields

Female friend married to a surgeon - Divorced. She said that if you looked up narcissist in the dictionary, you'd find him there.

Young male orthopedic surgeon acquaintance - I only run into him at friend's parties, and cringe at how he treats his wife. This is not someone I want to get to know any better.

Can you elaborate on the last couple? How does he treat her? In my experience, young doctors are marrying fellow strivers; if not another MD, a lawyer or MBA.

Like the help. I had to look away because I wanted to punch him. She was very pregnant at the time, was working a regular full time job (analyst of sort, IIRC), and seemed to treat his orders as if they came from God him/herself. Blech!

Depends on the speciality. You don’t specify male doctors but I noticed everyone is assuming that.

I have two female friends one is a neurosurgeon and the other is a plastic surgeon. The neurosurgeon has three kids from eggs she saved before med school (very type A and from a wealthy family). She said most straight, female neurosurgeons are either divorced or single. She sadly will be in the first group in a few years based on her husband having a hard time with her income now that she’s through all the training. The plastic surgeon is happily married with a Mr. Mom type dude, she’s a very sweet girl but honestly was a big cheater before this relationship. So it’s interesting to me that that’s what everyone thinks about doctors. Like I’ve known her for 15+ years and she has cheated on every partner she’s ever had except her husband.

I also have a cousin who is a plastic surgeon. He traded out his original wife for a younger one and when his kids asked to live with him, his new wife would only let them stay in the basement of their house. I honestly was shocked because growing up I never would have thought he would be that kind of person.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

Because we don’t believe you.

I find that curious, but okay. Like I said, our hours are mild and we have plenty of free time.

“Mild” is 40 hours, not “60-80.”

And every time you double down and retype “curious,” you sound even more like a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.