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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

I think you mean that mediocre is a group with all the advantages performing lower than they should. But I agree that families with kids who best fit at BASIS should have BASIS as an option.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean a group of kids whose parents are engaged and interested in them having a good education, who are not going to be throwing things at the teacher or cussing them out, because they care about doing well. Peer group matters, and I have seen firsthand how badly a class can be affected by kids and families who DNGAF. If US News thinks that the highest performing school in DC should be even higher performing based on demographics at that school, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over that.

So if BASIS has a low at-risk and SPED population, and willingly kicks out kids with behavioral difficulties, and doesn't backfill, then why does it still have such unimpressive test scores relative to demographics? It seems like it should be doing better with all of those advantages.

No one cares. You should seek professional help for your BASIS psychosis. You have created in your head some rubric/formula about what a school's test scores should be based on a hypothetical population of students. Other than replying to your insane posts to amuse ourselves no one cares what you think. We're actually at the point where we don't even bother pointing out that lie and make up facts (kicks kids out is not a thing). If you actually cared about public education in DC you'd focus your energy on the 50,000 students in DCPS schools who attend failing schools. But you don't really care about educating kids. You don't care were those poor marginal kids go or what kind of education they get as long as you get to whine about BASIS.

As I said, seek help.

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These posts read like someone who didn't get into BASIS in the lottery, is mad about the school their kids are going to, and is trying to make themselves feel better by inventing ways that BASIS is not that good. Nobody cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

I think you mean that mediocre is a group with all the advantages performing lower than they should. But I agree that families with kids who best fit at BASIS should have BASIS as an option.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean a group of kids whose parents are engaged and interested in them having a good education, who are not going to be throwing things at the teacher or cussing them out, because they care about doing well. Peer group matters, and I have seen firsthand how badly a class can be affected by kids and families who DNGAF. If US News thinks that the highest performing school in DC should be even higher performing based on demographics at that school, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over that.

So if BASIS has a low at-risk and SPED population, and willingly kicks out kids with behavioral difficulties, and doesn't backfill, then why does it still have such unimpressive test scores relative to demographics? It seems like it should be doing better with all of those advantages.

No one cares. You should seek professional help for your BASIS psychosis. You have created in your head some rubric/formula about what a school's test scores should be based on a hypothetical population of students. Other than replying to your insane posts to amuse ourselves no one cares what you think. We're actually at the point where we don't even bother pointing out that lie and make up facts (kicks kids out is not a thing). If you actually cared about public education in DC you'd focus your energy on the 50,000 students in DCPS schools who attend failing schools. But you don't really care about educating kids. You don't care were those poor marginal kids go or what kind of education they get as long as you get to whine about BASIS.

As I said, seek help.

I didn't create the formula, US News did.

If you don't see a connection between BASIS' demographics and its scores, and how BASIS' concentration of non-at-risk kids means other schools have to serve more at-risk kids, then you're wilfully deluding yourself.

What was it you said to explain the poor retention of AA students at BASIS? Oh right, you have no explanation. Fun times.

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

I think you mean that mediocre is a group with all the advantages performing lower than they should. But I agree that families with kids who best fit at BASIS should have BASIS as an option.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean a group of kids whose parents are engaged and interested in them having a good education, who are not going to be throwing things at the teacher or cussing them out, because they care about doing well. Peer group matters, and I have seen firsthand how badly a class can be affected by kids and families who DNGAF. If US News thinks that the highest performing school in DC should be even higher performing based on demographics at that school, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over that.

So if BASIS has a low at-risk and SPED population, and willingly kicks out kids with behavioral difficulties, and doesn't backfill, then why does it still have such unimpressive test scores relative to demographics? It seems like it should be doing better with all of those advantages.

No one cares. You should seek professional help for your BASIS psychosis. You have created in your head some rubric/formula about what a school's test scores should be based on a hypothetical population of students. Other than replying to your insane posts to amuse ourselves no one cares what you think. We're actually at the point where we don't even bother pointing out that lie and make up facts (kicks kids out is not a thing). If you actually cared about public education in DC you'd focus your energy on the 50,000 students in DCPS schools who attend failing schools. But you don't really care about educating kids. You don't care were those poor marginal kids go or what kind of education they get as long as you get to whine about BASIS.

As I said, seek help.

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

I think you mean that mediocre is a group with all the advantages performing lower than they should. But I agree that families with kids who best fit at BASIS should have BASIS as an option.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean a group of kids whose parents are engaged and interested in them having a good education, who are not going to be throwing things at the teacher or cussing them out, because they care about doing well. Peer group matters, and I have seen firsthand how badly a class can be affected by kids and families who DNGAF. If US News thinks that the highest performing school in DC should be even higher performing based on demographics at that school, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over that.

So if BASIS has a low at-risk and SPED population, and willingly kicks out kids with behavioral difficulties, and doesn't backfill, then why does it still have such unimpressive test scores relative to demographics? It seems like it should be doing better with all of those advantages.

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

I think you mean that mediocre is a group with all the advantages performing lower than they should. But I agree that families with kids who best fit at BASIS should have BASIS as an option.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean a group of kids whose parents are engaged and interested in them having a good education, who are not going to be throwing things at the teacher or cussing them out, because they care about doing well. Peer group matters, and I have seen firsthand how badly a class can be affected by kids and families who DNGAF. If US News thinks that the highest performing school in DC should be even higher performing based on demographics at that school, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over that.

Anonymous wrote:You all are crazy.
Op asked if they will move Waitlist and only 1-2 replies on her question. Op-they start Monday, I don’t know or have experience that once school starts if they will keep the list moving. I think it’s unlikely at this point.

I think if a kid doesn’t show up or withdraws this week they will bring someone in from the waitlist. Filling seats is all about the per pupil funding. Schools budget for a certain number of students. I assume the waitlist moves maybe one or two spots at most.

You all are crazy.
Op asked if they will move Waitlist and only 1-2 replies on her question. Op-they start Monday, I don’t know or have experience that once school starts if they will keep the list moving. I think it’s unlikely at this point.

Anonymous wrote:So, the vast, vast, vast number of schools in DC teach to the bottom in order to maintain “equity” but the one school that actually seeks to meet the needs of advanced learners in DC is demonized for failing to provide preference to a demographic least likely to succeed with its curriculum. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Many schools don’t participate in the equitable preference program. That’s not unique to BASIS.

Ok, but what has BASIS made this choice?

DP. Does it even matter though? You've chosen to focus on this, presumably because you seem to believe that it supports your theory that BASIS isn't a "good" school. If you prefer a school that offers Equitable Preference, there are more than a few that you can choose from. But not every school is required to offer this so using it as a way to attack BASIS is silly. Even if it did offer EP, you'd likely still find a problem with it.

It's not because I want a school that offers the preference. It's because I want a school that performs well *relative to demographics* because I think that's the more meaningful way to assess quality of teaching, and I think it's misleading and unhelpful to claim that BASIS is superior when really it just has easier demographics, and has them on purpose based on its own policy choices. You'll cry "100% lottery!" as if that's the only factor, but it's not. Schools have lots of ways of influencing which students enroll and are retained.

I would like BASIS boosters to explain why BASIS is unwilling to do the more challenging educational work that other schools are willing to undertake.

No one cares what you think.

Just send your kids someplace else.

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

I think you mean that mediocre is a group with all the advantages performing lower than they should. But I agree that families with kids who best fit at BASIS should have BASIS as an option.

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Meh. I’ll take a high performing peer group that US News thinks should be even more high performing over a mediocre or low performing peer group that US News thinks is doing better than they should be. Thanks.

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

How is US News calculating this number? When I look at the BASIS data set for PARCC on the OSSE website, it looks like there wouldn't be enough information released to calculate "state assessment performance" correctly.

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Anonymous wrote:I know of at least 5 rising 6th graders leaving, but that's an unlikely sibling preference grade.

Hopefully it’s the kids who were a huge PITA in 5th grade.

LOL. Sadly those kids are returning. Hopefully they will wash out after this year and be gone.

In our experience the PITA kids dont leave, and Basis falls head over heels to drag these kids through, and they scrape by.
DS just finished 8th, leaving for private because we are sick of his grades PITA kids. HS may have its own share of problems, but we are happy to get away from them

Hmmm, no offense, but maybe your kid is one the PITA kids.

nope, he was the shy introvert who was forever picked on, but thanks

Sorry to hear that. Hope there is no bullying at his new school.

In our experience, bullying is pretty minimal at BASIS. Plus, kids get bullied for things like not being in the math club or reading YA fiction instead of Jane Austen.

Still bullying, right?

If your kid hates math and Jane Austen I guess so. Probably better off at Deal or Hardy. Aside from the almost daily fights, I hear that there isn't any bullying there.

Isn’t this a thread about basis? What does Deal have to do with bullying at basis? At basis, is it ok to bully kids as long as the bullying is based on higher math or reading a particular novel?

If your definition of "bullying" is receiving the actual grade you earned, having to watch while kids in the top of the class and top 5% are publicly recognized and you don't get an A just for trying, then, yes, BASIS engages in academic bullying.

Again, read the thread. The bullying referred to is kids bullying other kids. Nothing to do with academics. And nothing to do with Deal. But keep deflecting and blaming the victims.

No one is arguing that there is zero bullying at BASIS. Or any school. 10-18 year old kids will engage in that behavior. There is zero evidence or credible reporting on systemic or institutionalized bullying at BASIS. The person who replied using Deal as an example was flippantly explaining that you were trying to make up stories and pointing out that those schools, unlike BASIS, had serious, documented issues last year.

What I will say based on personal experience is that BASIS administration appears unwilling to adequately deal with bullying and attempts to gaslight the child and their parents. My child was injured multiple times by their bully. We sought administrative intervention for months. The administration dragged their feet and insisted they could take no action without corroboration (but of course the bully wasn’t doing these things in front of teachers or peers who were willing to provide info to administration). An administrator suggested to me that my child was making it all up, even though the most recent incident with the bully had left my child bleeding and crying. They did not take it seriously and take action until we got a lawyer who specializes in education law who contacted their attorney.

They profess to have a zero tolerance policy for bullying but that seems to be all talk.

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.

Thank you! Very helpful.

Relevant to this discussion, US News computes a figure they call “state assessment performance” which measures proficiency relative to what US News would predict based on demographics. On this measure BASIS DC ranks outside the top 8,000 schools in the country, which is worse than peer schools in DC like Latin, CHEC, Banneker, Walls, McKinley, and Duke. Perhaps more troubling, it’s quite bad compared to the BASIS schools in Arizona, all of which are ranked in the top 500 nationally. I don’t know why BASIS DC is so weak compared to both peer groups, but it certainly seems like something is wrong.

There are some great kids at BASIS DC, and I get that it’s the best option available for some families, but it really doesn’t seem like a model to be emulated.