Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:48
Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
They literally drive around in vans without doors in over 100 degree weather, here in California. They lug heavy ass packages all day for people too lazy to carry their own cat litter. Pay them what they want!!
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:48
Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This should be exhibit A whenever people try to tell you that unions are a bad thing.
Come back when ups raises its delivery costs to reflect this generous compensation package. I doubt you’ll be touting how great this is when the t shirt gift to Timmy costs you 35.00 to ship.
Yup. People are cheering it.
Wait until all of this gross wage inflation gets passed to consumers. It will be runaway wage driven inflation.
It took you 35 working years for you to save and your 401k to become worth $2M? Ooopps too bad, that $2M now worthless because wage inflation has ruined your entire life's savings.
I dunno, my life feels very similar to how it did the last time UPS workers negotiated a bigger salary for full-time employees. The Chicago school has done an impressive job making labor movements the cause for any and all ills in our society.
+1 it is so stupid to say suggest that the entire cost of this will be passed on to consumers and cause a wage-price spiral which hurts workers, especially when a) UPS says it is cutting its revenue forecasts sharply in the article and b) there is ample evidence from the last couple of years that inflation has been caused by firms sticking with high prices they pushed on us from supply chain problems even after those problems are gone.
Basically it’s Panglossian view that says workers should be glad with whatever crumbs management is willing to give them.
Labor costs always get passed on to consumers. You're just an idiot to think otherwise.
Wait until there's a recession or economic slowdown. They will be forced to increase prices are margins become compressed due to rising labor costs. Labor is always the most expensive cost. Price increase will come.
So who should get a good wage then? No one?
Skilled workers, workers with education, entrepreneurs, business owners. Just being a slab of meat to do hardwork shouldn't mean a high salary. Picking up trash is hard work. Roofing is hard work. Junk hauling is hard work. Landscaping is hard work.
You gonna pay them $170k too? Hard work does not automatically mean valuable work.
Literally all the things you listed, except maybe landscaping, are 'valuable' work. Let me know how a roof installed by a cheap and uninsured amateur works out for you.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:47
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
I'd definitely argue that UPS driver is way more critical to society than a Costco shelf stocker.
That said, if Costco needs to pay 100K to adequately staff their stores, than that's what they need to pay. Capitalism at work.
+1
The people complaining about capitalism are probably the same idiots screaming about ‘Merica.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:46
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
This isn’t the USSR. There’s no central planning committee that’s sets wages.
No, but there is the mafioso organization known as unions strong arming companies into massively overpaying for unskilled, uneducated labor.
UPS is relishing the day coming soon when they can automate this hugely overpaid jobs out of existence.
So much ignorance. Those “mafias” are why we have any worker protections today.
Too many DUIs so you can’t get a CDL? I can see why you’re mad.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:41
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
I'd definitely argue that UPS driver is way more critical to society than a Costco shelf stocker.
That said, if Costco needs to pay 100K to adequately staff their stores, than that's what they need to pay. Capitalism at work.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:40
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
And I don't understand why y'all think this is crazy - what did you think all that online ordering of crap was going to do, all that grocery delivery, etc etc.
It is just like paying for the convenience of all other outsourcing you DCUMers do...
Also it IS a very hard job - not everyone is hired as a union worker on top of that. UPS has gotten around having to pay and adhere to the union's requirements by hiring non-union positioned drivers...
It is physically demanding and a lot of injury occurs - those drivers aren't really working past 45/50 max.
It is just like paying for the convenience of all other outsourcing you DCUMers do...
Also it IS a very hard job - not everyone is hired as a union worker on top of that. UPS has gotten around having to pay and adhere to the union's requirements by hiring non-union positioned drivers...
It is physically demanding and a lot of injury occurs - those drivers aren't really working past 45/50 max.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:39
Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.
Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.
Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:38
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It says "and benefits." The salary is in the low 100s.
My friends and I are just shocked and thinking, we should have worked for UPs.
You can still go work for them…
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:37
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.
Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.
The country desperately needs CDL drivers right now. If you're so upset about this, I definitely encourage you to go work for UPS. The country needs UPS to be functioning well so the rest of us can live our lives as easily as we do.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:33
Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.
Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.
Great! A new career choice opened up for you!
+1
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:29
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
+100000% to the above comment.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:20
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
This isn’t the USSR. There’s no central planning committee that’s sets wages.
No, but there is the mafioso organization known as unions strong arming companies into massively overpaying for unskilled, uneducated labor.
UPS is relishing the day coming soon when they can automate this hugely overpaid jobs out of existence.
UPS is paying their CEO $20 million a year (and that's before fringe benefits). The idea that paying a driver $100k is massively overpaying but paying a CEO 200x that is not is frankly bizarre.
This. Why is the CEO worth 20 million? That dude has never even done the most important job in the company. I wonder how many times he taken a ride in them hot a$$ trucks in summer?
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:11
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
This isn’t the USSR. There’s no central planning committee that’s sets wages.
No, but there is the mafioso organization known as unions strong arming companies into massively overpaying for unskilled, uneducated labor.
UPS is relishing the day coming soon when they can automate this hugely overpaid jobs out of existence.
UPS is paying their CEO $20 million a year (and that's before fringe benefits). The idea that paying a driver $100k is massively overpaying but paying a CEO 200x that is not is frankly bizarre.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:10
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
This isn’t the USSR. There’s no central planning committee that’s sets wages.
No, but there is the mafioso organization known as unions strong arming companies into massively overpaying for unskilled, uneducated labor.
UPS is relishing the day coming soon when they can automate this hugely overpaid jobs out of existence.
There's a fine line between strong arming and not being exploited. I'm not a union expert, but I'm watching the writer strike and I also know that unions are why we have a WEEKEND. Even if it's not called a union, I'd like to see white collar workers band together for improvements.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:07
Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These drivers deserve more than 80% of the people that post on this board with a crappy liberal arts degree thinking they deserve 6 figures because they have a degree and provide no real benefit to anyone.
For what? Lifting boxes and using a gas pedal?
It requires no education. It requires no skill.
Yet it’s necessary for our society to function. Unlike your fine arts degree.
Come back here when you order your school supplies on Amazon and they say the estimated delivery time is November
Costco shelf stocker is also required for society. You gonna pay them $170k too?
This isn’t the USSR. There’s no central planning committee that’s sets wages.
No, but there is the mafioso organization known as unions strong arming companies into massively overpaying for unskilled, uneducated labor.
UPS is relishing the day coming soon when they can automate this hugely overpaid jobs out of existence.
Union=mafia, but owners organizing themselves into a corporation is fine? How about we force every shareholder to negotiate individually with each UPS driver to determine how much they’ll contribute to the driver’s salary?
Regardless, if UPS can just automate, your dreaded wage price spiral won’t happen. So why are you complaining?