Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:59     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:Why is water wet?

Cornell is a public Ivy alongside Penn State/Penn, UVA, UT-Austin, Cal, etc.

It is only an Ivy in the narrow athletic conference sense.

Also, it offers and Associates degree in Hotel Management.


“Penn State/Penn” ?

The Hotel Administration school is one of the best in the world. They seem to know what they are doing. Again, Cornell’s strength is its diversity.

“I would found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study.“
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:58     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.

The bottom 10% at T25 privates are better than corresponding at Umich, Berkeley, and UCLA. And that's the problem with publics, they're forced to dip too low.


How exactly is that a problem? For whom?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:58     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be great if some top private schools would try to educate close to the number of students top public places like Michigan and Cal do though? Yes, their acceptance rates would be higher but society as a whole would benefit and they can certainly afford to do it.


No, because top private schools aren't top because of the education. They are top because they provided exclusively access to opportunities to get rich.

People are talking about CS departments. There is 0 need to go to university to learn CS. It's all available better for free on the Internet. The only reason to go is to network with social/wealth elites.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:54     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is water wet?

Cornell is a public Ivy alongside Penn State/Penn, UVA, UT-Austin, Cal, etc.

It is only an Ivy in the narrow athletic conference sense.

Also, it offers and Associates degree in Hotel Management.


Harvard offers degrees from its extension school. Columbia has its GS school.


This is the logically compelling response of a recipient of a Cornell Associate’s Degree in Hotel Management.


What are you trying to say? Explaining it might reveal the misconception.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:43     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is water wet?

Cornell is a public Ivy alongside Penn State/Penn, UVA, UT-Austin, Cal, etc.

It is only an Ivy in the narrow athletic conference sense.

Also, it offers and Associates degree in Hotel Management.


Harvard offers degrees from its extension school. Columbia has its GS school.


This is the logically compelling response of a recipient of a Cornell Associate’s Degree in Hotel Management.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:41     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise. [/quote ]

When either of those schools receives almost 90,000 applications, then we can compare acceptance rates. UCLA received almost 150,00 applications last cycle and has under a 12% admit rate. Doesn’t sound like an easier admit that most privates. By the way, William and Mary is not a private school.





UCLA can't be holistic with 150,000 applicants.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:39     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:Why is water wet?

Cornell is a public Ivy alongside Penn State/Penn, UVA, UT-Austin, Cal, etc.

It is only an Ivy in the narrow athletic conference sense.

Also, it offers and Associates degree in Hotel Management.


Harvard offers degrees from its extension school. Columbia has its GS school.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:38     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise. [/quote ]

When either of those schools receives almost 90,000 applications, then we can compare acceptance rates. UCLA received almost 150,00 applications last cycle and has under a 12% admit rate. Doesn’t sound like an easier admit that most privates. By the way, William and Mary is not a private school.




Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:33     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise.


W&M is public.

I didn't know that, but you get the point.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:31     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise.


W&M is public.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:31     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Why is water wet?

Cornell is a public Ivy alongside Penn State/Penn, UVA, UT-Austin, Cal, etc.

It is only an Ivy in the narrow athletic conference sense.

Also, it offers and Associates degree in Hotel Management.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:26     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Anonymous wrote:Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise.

+1
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:26     Subject: Re:Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great


Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.


Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.





Sounds like you went to clown school.


Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.


The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.





Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change


Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.


Oh sure. It’s better to go to Yale than Carnegie Mellon for CS because you really need a PhD to excel if you attend the latter. Please….

Yes it will always be better to go to Yale CS, espionage if you want quant finance. If you want big tech than CNU is probably better but Big tech isn't that prestigious or hard to get into, a lot of public school kids there.


Now Yale teaches espionage. Who knew?

*Especially... Autocorrect is the worst.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:24     Subject: Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
Public schools are always easier to get into because admissions there are less holistic and more numbers based. So a 20% acceptance rate for a public school is like 25-30% for a private school. So Umich is more similar to Wake Forest or William and Mary admissions wise.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 23:20     Subject: Re:Why is Cornell called "lower Ivy"
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't the Ivy League really Harvard and Yale and everyone else? If we're talking just general prestige anyway. Some people have heard of Princeton. Many of them rate its law school as being great


Cornell has a #7 ranked computer science dept and Yale is #20.


Where does that rank even come from? Something semi-useless like USNWR's undergrad department rankings?
Yes, everyone knows Yale was late to the CS game but it is now pouring $$ into it and Yale has plenty to invest and improve quickly. I'd go to Yale over Cornell for CS in a heartbeat with the recent investment and overall name recognition.





Sounds like you went to clown school.


Please don't use USNWR departmental rankings or have your kids use them! At the very least look at their grad school rankings to better understand relative strength. Their departmental rankings are simply a survey of academics at peer institutions.


The grad school rankings were listed here as measure of the department.





Pick the school not the department! Majors and interests change


Disagree when it is something as important and popular as computer science.

No pp is right. Unless, your DC wants to go into research/ PhD then the school is most important.


Oh sure. It’s better to go to Yale than Carnegie Mellon for CS because you really need a PhD to excel if you attend the latter. Please….

Yes it will always be better to go to Yale CS, espionage if you want quant finance. If you want big tech than CNU is probably better but Big tech isn't that prestigious or hard to get into, a lot of public school kids there.


Now Yale teaches espionage. Who knew?