Anonymous
08/10/2023 10:21
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
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Roughly $400k in funding in 2021. That probably buys a WHOLE LOT of DCUM posts.
Roughly $400k in funding in 2021. That probably buys a WHOLE LOT of DCUM posts.
Anonymous
08/10/2023 10:20
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Genius level kids are not focused on college admissions. If given a good opportunity, they would go to an elite school, but they realize for a genius it really doesn’t matter.
Anonymous
08/10/2023 10:07
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus
"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.
(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"
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Anonymous
08/09/2023 23:16
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus
"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.
(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"
NP. That's not an objective measure. It could just as easily suggest that Asian families prioritize testing. Heavy investment in math enrichment/acceleration and targeted test prep for 3 tiers of magnet programs was very common among Asian (primarily Chinese heritage) families. When I taught test prep in Richmond, VA, almost all my students were from Indian families. It is inaccurate to jump to racial bias and not even consider other factors like cultural priorities.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 21:56
Subject: Re:Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
MIT and CalTech
What is the liberal arts equivalent? Chicago?
There are no "liberal arts geniuses". That's the point of liberal arts, to have a broad education.
Do you mean humanities?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic
Anonymous
08/09/2023 21:53
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.
Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.
The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
Harvard
athletes - 20%
legacy - 36%
URM - 14%
donors - 5%
There is overlap but a good percentage of the class does fall into these categories.
More than half of the Harvard athletes and legacy happen to be very strong students too. So it's not as you fully expect. You'd be mistaken if you believe Harvard admits large volumes of mediocre legacies. On average the legacy admitted pool is worse than the non-legacy admitted pool, but it's still quite strong and they tend to flock into top consulting, law, finance, and NGO jobs later on.
This is not about Ivy, athlete, legacy, or URM bashing. But if you don't belong in one of those categories, where is a brilliant student going to go? There are only so many spots left. But, yeah, I know a very mediocre student who is going to an Ivy as an athlete. It's a scam.
That mediocre student is probably going to a lower ivy, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cornell. The academic caliber especially for Harvard and Princeton athletes is quite high, unless they brought that kid in to actually compete at a D1 championship level. Either way, there are only a handful of kids that are NCAA championship caliber athletes who also maintain strong academic standards, and those kids will vie for Stanford or Duke.
"A lower Ivy." I can't even. Do you people hear yourselves?
DP
Anonymous
08/09/2023 21:52
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
I can only imagine the brilliance of your child’s essays with comments like this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus
"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.
(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"
Anonymous
08/09/2023 21:52
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.
Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.
The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
DP. Please cite your source. You can't just spew out a list of colleges as if it's fact.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 21:48
Subject: Re:Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:the very smartest kid I've probably ever personally known of is going to VaTech
+1
Amazingly smart kid in our neighborhood is there. Such a nice person, too.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 21:48
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
My brilliant kid is at Purdue - its everyone else's loss.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 19:53
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
well, yea, because they are from wealthy families. Imagine the amount of tutoring that money could buy.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 19:43
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus
"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.
(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"
SAT scores are not that important.
this what people usually say when their team doesn't score well.
-dp
Anonymous
08/09/2023 19:34
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus
"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.
(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"
SAT scores are not that important.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 19:21
Subject: Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.
MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.
Which research?
DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus
"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.
(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"
Anonymous
08/09/2023 19:14
Subject: Re:Where do the genius level kids go these days?
Many STEM smarty-pants kids go to Purdue. For Engineering, CS and now AI