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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

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If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

Now, do Maryland.

So there is Maryland and a little of Illinois.
But then on the GOP side, there is Wisconsin, Ohio, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and the list goes on.

You won't see people on the left disclaiming "let's eng gerrymandering" - the left has been proposing federal legislation for years.

I think Ryan lost more than Vance won.
Ryan was begging for support from national dems and didn’t get it.
I’m not into all that intraparty nonsense, but from what I could glean, he is not a Pelosi guy. He challenged her for speaker, right? That’s a broad that don’t forget. And I’m guessing he didn’t make it right with her people. Not smart. That hurt him.
Also he didn’t really run as a liberal. He ran too close to the right. Why not just vote for the Republican then?
Apparently Ohio managed to kill off a bunch of the republican voters, so we’ll see what 2024 holds.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s clear the public is on democrats side on the issue. Pro-choice wins whenever it’s on the ballot even in red states. The trick is translating that into candidate elections. When people vote for candidates, they are thinking about many issues and abortion is just one.

Abortion is just one huuuuuuge issue. It is dominant. These suburban mom voters that are always talked about will not tolerate this fundamental right being taken away form their children. I don't think the GOP understand how frustrating it is for the voters to watch the clock turned backwards on their daughters. They will fight back. Clearly.

Yet the very anti-choice JD Vance won by 6 points less than a year ago in this same state.

Uggg. Is JD Vance one of these national banners?

Yes. https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-abortion-tim-ryan-biden-6b00b57614dff12903d4228e74c37ac8

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Anonymous wrote:It’s clear the public is on democrats side on the issue. Pro-choice wins whenever it’s on the ballot even in red states. The trick is translating that into candidate elections. When people vote for candidates, they are thinking about many issues and abortion is just one.

Abortion is just one huuuuuuge issue. It is dominant. These suburban mom voters that are always talked about will not tolerate this fundamental right being taken away form their children. I don't think the GOP understand how frustrating it is for the voters to watch the clock turned backwards on their daughters. They will fight back. Clearly.

Yet the very anti-choice JD Vance won by 6 points less than a year ago in this same state.

Uggg. Is JD Vance one of these national banners?

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

+1 this

Once more:

If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

Now, do Maryland.

Marylands new map isn’t gerrymandered. The legislature tried to gerrymander it, but lost a court case. And guess what happened then? They followed the court decision! Unlike the Ohio leg, which just ignored the court.

Exactly !

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

+1 this

Once more:

If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

Now, do Maryland.

Cry more.
But do it on a different thread, this one is about Ohio.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

+1 this

Once more:

If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

Now, do Maryland.

Marylands new map isn’t gerrymandered. The legislature tried to gerrymander it, but lost a court case. And guess what happened then? They followed the court decision! Unlike the Ohio leg, which just ignored the court.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

+1 this

Once more:

If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

+2. And furthermore, the last election (or two, I forget exactly) were held under maps that were held ILLEGAL and just ignored. The elections just went forward. . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

+1 this

Once more:

If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

Now, do Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s clear the public is on democrats side on the issue. Pro-choice wins whenever it’s on the ballot even in red states. The trick is translating that into candidate elections. When people vote for candidates, they are thinking about many issues and abortion is just one.

Abortion is just one huuuuuuge issue. It is dominant. These suburban mom voters that are always talked about will not tolerate this fundamental right being taken away form their children. I don't think the GOP understand how frustrating it is for the voters to watch the clock turned backwards on their daughters. They will fight back. Clearly.

Yet the very anti-choice JD Vance won by 6 points less than a year ago in this same state.

But Biden is President and the Senate was unlikely to flip. It's different when it's your home state and/or there is a referendum for abortion rights on the line (nationally or statewide).

Don’t really agree senate was unlikely to flip, but you’re making my point. People factor in a lot more than one issue into voting decisions. Democrats need to work to make people understand that their candidate votes actually will affect this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is “the dog that caught the car” issue for Republicans. They caught the car and overturned Roe. Now they have no idea what to do and they further can’t campaign on finally being able to catch that car. Oops.

It's worse than that. They've programmed their voters to be absolutists on this issue because it was never a reality until now. They've gerrymandered the heck out of their districts and therefore, are terrified of primary challenges in most cases. They'll have to come out unequivocally for an abortion ban, which will kill their chances with moderates and independents in the general. Their base is too big for the primary and too small for the general in many, many parts of the country. I don't envy the political consultant that has to navigate this minefield or walk back everything that has been said to date (and before it had real life consequences for voters).

+1 this

Once more:

If they were so gerrymandered, why did they choose a GOP governor?
Why did they choose a GOP Senator in their last Senatorial election?

Honey, are questioning the reality that Ohio is gerrymandered? There are court cases to prove the point. The state may lean red, but leaning red does not a super majority make.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It’s clear the public is on democrats side on the issue. Pro-choice wins whenever it’s on the ballot even in red states. The trick is translating that into candidate elections. When people vote for candidates, they are thinking about many issues and abortion is just one.

Abortion is just one huuuuuuge issue. It is dominant. These suburban mom voters that are always talked about will not tolerate this fundamental right being taken away form their children. I don't think the GOP understand how frustrating it is for the voters to watch the clock turned backwards on their daughters. They will fight back. Clearly.

Yet the very anti-choice JD Vance won by 6 points less than a year ago in this same state.

But Biden is President and the Senate was unlikely to flip. It's different when it's your home state and/or there is a referendum for abortion rights on the line (nationally or statewide).

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Anonymous wrote:It’s clear the public is on democrats side on the issue. Pro-choice wins whenever it’s on the ballot even in red states. The trick is translating that into candidate elections. When people vote for candidates, they are thinking about many issues and abortion is just one.

Abortion is just one huuuuuuge issue. It is dominant. These suburban mom voters that are always talked about will not tolerate this fundamental right being taken away form their children. I don't think the GOP understand how frustrating it is for the voters to watch the clock turned backwards on their daughters. They will fight back. Clearly.

Yet the very anti-choice JD Vance won by 6 points less than a year ago in this same state.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s clear the public is on democrats side on the issue. Pro-choice wins whenever it’s on the ballot even in red states. The trick is translating that into candidate elections. When people vote for candidates, they are thinking about many issues and abortion is just one.

Abortion is just one huuuuuuge issue. It is dominant. These suburban mom voters that are always talked about will not tolerate this fundamental right being taken away form their children. I don't think the GOP understand how frustrating it is for the voters to watch the clock turned backwards on their daughters. They will fight back. Clearly.

It's not just their daughters. Some of them can still have children and may not want to. Being a woman got a hella lot more complicated and risky after the Dobbs decision. And it's mostly a bunch of old white guys making these decisions. I wonder how many women are nodding agreement with their husbands and pastors in public yet are making different choices in the privacy of the voting booth. I imagine it's pretty significant number.

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I don’t believe they want little lives to be terminated.

Then why are they voting the way they are? I believe they absolutely do want unwanted pregnancies to be terminated— calling them “little lives” is so cute and facile until you’re the one losing half your blood volume in a Florida bathroom.

Ok to use abortion as birth control?
You slipped up. Badly.

Personally? I don’t care if people use abortion as birth control. I don’t think a fetus, baby, zygote or any other development stage of human gets to free ride on another humans organs and endanger their lives for nine months without their ongoing consent.

But even if I did buy the ridiculous argument that really people are just irresponsible and should use birth control, Republicans don’t believe there’s a right to that either

https://www.help.senate.gov/chair/newsroom/press/republican-senator-blocks-bill-to-codify-americans-right-to-contraception-

My sentiment exactly. A woman's life and decisions ALWAYS have priority over the life she hosts in her own body. ALWAYS. FOR ANY REASON.