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Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

wasting so much money. how can one person spend 1350 per month (16000 per year) and another 16000 a year on vacation, entertainment?? That's 32000 right there. it's not your earning, it's your spending dummy.

This. Everything in bold is way too much and way too excessive. You have a major spending problem. Major. Most people with families don’t waste this much money.

You could cut down your food bill almost in half if you cut back on the eating out. You spent way too much on vacation. Way too much on entertainment and $500 a month of some thing going nowhere is kind of ridiculous as well. You also should not be spending that much money on streaming services…pick one.

Honestly, you should really go on a no spend month and spend nothing except it’s necessities and see how much money you have then start investing that money. Maybe you can figure out that you’re actually very well off: you’re just spending every penny you have.

This income and no children? You are loaded.

This. Before we had kids, we had an HHI of 200k on 2 incomes (both making around 100k). We didn’t feel rich, but we had enough money to take a couple nice vacations a year, go out to eat whenever we wanted, go to concerts, etc., and still save money.

Then we had a baby. I wanted to stay home with her and my work has a 2-yr sabbatical option so I could take two years off and still be guaranteed my job at current salary afterwards. I took it. So for 2 years we lived off 100k in the DMV.

I thought it would be much harder than it was! I mean, we saved nothing those years. But it wasn’t that hard to cut out a bunch of excess spending. We had a baby so we were tired and focused on her, it was easy to give up concerts and a lot of travel that wouldn’t have been fun with a baby/toddler anyway. I was home all day so we met from eating out 3-4 days a week to like twice a month. We didn’t buy new clothes really at all. We got most baby stuff second hand from friends and on buy nothing groups. We went to the library instead of buying books. We didn’t upgrade phones or computers unless absolutely necessary. We got rid of cable and instead of paying fir a bunch of streaming services, we paid for two at a time and rotated when we felt we’d exhausted the content on one. No house cleaners since I was home and could clean.

The year I returned to work, we had to pay for childcare so we kept up that frugal lifestyle that year.

Then DD started public preschool. We still have to pay for aftercare and summer camp, but it winds up being about the same amount that DH’s income has increased since she was born, so it’s a wash.

We now make 240k as a family if three and I feel RICH. Like I feel like we save so much money. We never worry about paying for things. Very healthy emergency fund. We’ve kept a bunch of our frugal habits that turned out to be no problem— cook at home 6 days a week, get a lot of stuff 2nd hand, wait to upgrade tech and cars until absolutely necessary. We do have a house cleaner again, and DH and I do go out on dates a couple times a month to nicer restaurants and hire sitters, which feels extravagant. We go to concerts a few times a year. We take real vacations again.

But we still manage to save over 50k a year on top of 401k contributions. We are going to use some to do some long postponed renovations on our house, but the rest goes into a college fund, I-bonds, cds, high-interest savings, or gets invested. I feel great about our finances.

OP and others need an attitude adjustment and some perspective. Go on a financial diet for a year and see what you learn. You are probably wasting a TON of money.

That’s great you good about your finances but you’re in no way even close to rich. Saving 50k/yr on top of 401k is very little nowadays and won’t get you through college expenses and comfortable retirement. That’s why OP is worried about only having 21k left over. Unless they do some creative investing to turn that 21k into 400k every year, they’re always going to feel behind.

So you can spare OP the lecture on attitude adjustment. You’re doing the most you can with the little you have but the fact is 150k is almost paycheck to paycheck pretty much anywhere now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

wasting so much money. how can one person spend 1350 per month (16000 per year) and another 16000 a year on vacation, entertainment?? That's 32000 right there. it's not your earning, it's your spending dummy.

This. Everything in bold is way too much and way too excessive. You have a major spending problem. Major. Most people with families don’t waste this much money.

You could cut down your food bill almost in half if you cut back on the eating out. You spent way too much on vacation. Way too much on entertainment and $500 a month of some thing going nowhere is kind of ridiculous as well. You also should not be spending that much money on streaming services…pick one.

Honestly, you should really go on a no spend month and spend nothing except it’s necessities and see how much money you have then start investing that money. Maybe you can figure out that you’re actually very well off: you’re just spending every penny you have.

This income and no children? You are loaded.

This. Before we had kids, we had an HHI of 200k on 2 incomes (both making around 100k). We didn’t feel rich, but we had enough money to take a couple nice vacations a year, go out to eat whenever we wanted, go to concerts, etc., and still save money.

Then we had a baby. I wanted to stay home with her and my work has a 2-yr sabbatical option so I could take two years off and still be guaranteed my job at current salary afterwards. I took it. So for 2 years we lived off 100k in the DMV.

I thought it would be much harder than it was! I mean, we saved nothing those years. But it wasn’t that hard to cut out a bunch of excess spending. We had a baby so we were tired and focused on her, it was easy to give up concerts and a lot of travel that wouldn’t have been fun with a baby/toddler anyway. I was home all day so we met from eating out 3-4 days a week to like twice a month. We didn’t buy new clothes really at all. We got most baby stuff second hand from friends and on buy nothing groups. We went to the library instead of buying books. We didn’t upgrade phones or computers unless absolutely necessary. We got rid of cable and instead of paying fir a bunch of streaming services, we paid for two at a time and rotated when we felt we’d exhausted the content on one. No house cleaners since I was home and could clean.

The year I returned to work, we had to pay for childcare so we kept up that frugal lifestyle that year.

Then DD started public preschool. We still have to pay for aftercare and summer camp, but it winds up being about the same amount that DH’s income has increased since she was born, so it’s a wash.

We now make 240k as a family if three and I feel RICH. Like I feel like we save so much money. We never worry about paying for things. Very healthy emergency fund. We’ve kept a bunch of our frugal habits that turned out to be no problem— cook at home 6 days a week, get a lot of stuff 2nd hand, wait to upgrade tech and cars until absolutely necessary. We do have a house cleaner again, and DH and I do go out on dates a couple times a month to nicer restaurants and hire sitters, which feels extravagant. We go to concerts a few times a year. We take real vacations again.

But we still manage to save over 50k a year on top of 401k contributions. We are going to use some to do some long postponed renovations on our house, but the rest goes into a college fund, I-bonds, cds, high-interest savings, or gets invested. I feel great about our finances.

OP and others need an attitude adjustment and some perspective. Go on a financial diet for a year and see what you learn. You are probably wasting a TON of money.

That’s great you good about your finances but you’re in no way even close to rich. Saving 50k/yr on top of 401k is very little nowadays and won’t get you through college expenses and comfortable retirement. That’s why OP is worried about only having 21k left over. Unless they do some creative investing to turn that 21k into 400k every year, they’re always going to feel behind.

So you can spare OP the lecture on attitude adjustment. You’re doing the most you can with the little you have but the fact is 150k is almost paycheck to paycheck pretty much anywhere now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

I think this is a common scenario when one is single and younger in this area. It seems like a great salary and suddenly you think you are rich and you should be able to buy whatever you want without budgeting or denying yourself. And I think on some other areas of the country that would be true.

But in this area the cost of stuff means you quickly but. through money. I bet you would say you don’t even buy that much at the grocery store or go out that often and buy clothes on sale. But even on sale companies too full advantage of inflation to jack prices up even higher than other places bc they knew people would continue paying and we all did.

So basically you have to accept your not rich and you have to budget and you can’t go out as often and you do have to our attention to costs at the grocery store and buy clothing less often.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

wasting so much money. how can one person spend 1350 per month (16000 per year) and another 16000 a year on vacation, entertainment?? That's 32000 right there. it's not your earning, it's your spending dummy.

This. Everything in bold is way too much and way too excessive. You have a major spending problem. Major. Most people with families don’t waste this much money.

You could cut down your food bill almost in half if you cut back on the eating out. You spent way too much on vacation. Way too much on entertainment and $500 a month of some thing going nowhere is kind of ridiculous as well. You also should not be spending that much money on streaming services…pick one.

Honestly, you should really go on a no spend month and spend nothing except it’s necessities and see how much money you have then start investing that money. Maybe you can figure out that you’re actually very well off: you’re just spending every penny you have.

This income and no children? You are loaded.

This. Before we had kids, we had an HHI of 200k on 2 incomes (both making around 100k). We didn’t feel rich, but we had enough money to take a couple nice vacations a year, go out to eat whenever we wanted, go to concerts, etc., and still save money.

Then we had a baby. I wanted to stay home with her and my work has a 2-yr sabbatical option so I could take two years off and still be guaranteed my job at current salary afterwards. I took it. So for 2 years we lived off 100k in the DMV.

I thought it would be much harder than it was! I mean, we saved nothing those years. But it wasn’t that hard to cut out a bunch of excess spending. We had a baby so we were tired and focused on her, it was easy to give up concerts and a lot of travel that wouldn’t have been fun with a baby/toddler anyway. I was home all day so we met from eating out 3-4 days a week to like twice a month. We didn’t buy new clothes really at all. We got most baby stuff second hand from friends and on buy nothing groups. We went to the library instead of buying books. We didn’t upgrade phones or computers unless absolutely necessary. We got rid of cable and instead of paying fir a bunch of streaming services, we paid for two at a time and rotated when we felt we’d exhausted the content on one. No house cleaners since I was home and could clean.

The year I returned to work, we had to pay for childcare so we kept up that frugal lifestyle that year.

Then DD started public preschool. We still have to pay for aftercare and summer camp, but it winds up being about the same amount that DH’s income has increased since she was born, so it’s a wash.

We now make 240k as a family if three and I feel RICH. Like I feel like we save so much money. We never worry about paying for things. Very healthy emergency fund. We’ve kept a bunch of our frugal habits that turned out to be no problem— cook at home 6 days a week, get a lot of stuff 2nd hand, wait to upgrade tech and cars until absolutely necessary. We do have a house cleaner again, and DH and I do go out on dates a couple times a month to nicer restaurants and hire sitters, which feels extravagant. We go to concerts a few times a year. We take real vacations again.

But we still manage to save over 50k a year on top of 401k contributions. We are going to use some to do some long postponed renovations on our house, but the rest goes into a college fund, I-bonds, cds, high-interest savings, or gets invested. I feel great about our finances.

OP and others need an attitude adjustment and some perspective. Go on a financial diet for a year and see what you learn. You are probably wasting a TON of money.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

wasting so much money. how can one person spend 1350 per month (16000 per year) and another 16000 a year on vacation, entertainment?? That's 32000 right there. it's not your earning, it's your spending dummy.

This. Everything in bold is way too much and way too excessive. You have a major spending problem. Major. Most people with families don’t waste this much money.

You could cut down your food bill almost in half if you cut back on the eating out. You spent way too much on vacation. Way too much on entertainment and $500 a month of some thing going nowhere is kind of ridiculous as well. You also should not be spending that much money on streaming services…pick one.

Honestly, you should really go on a no spend month and spend nothing except it’s necessities and see how much money you have then start investing that money. Maybe you can figure out that you’re actually very well off: you’re just spending every penny you have.

This income and no children? You are loaded.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

wasting so much money. how can one person spend 1350 per month (16000 per year) and another 16000 a year on vacation, entertainment?? That's 32000 right there. it's not your earning, it's your spending dummy.

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

Anonymous wrote:Let's just say you have a $150k salary in DC:
- After taxes, your net pay is $98,826
- After rent ($2k p/month) you're at $74,826
- After Utility (~$110) & Wifi ($54.99) you're at $72,826
- After car & health insurance you're at $60,826
- After car payments, you're at $57,226
- after food $800 a month $47,626
- after ordering out $300 a month $44206
- after eating out(2x week) $240 a month $41326
- buying new clothes $200 a month $38926
- Nexflix, Hulu etc… $200 a month $36526
- vacation twice a year $3000. $33526
- gambling and entertainment. 6000yr $27526z
- miscellaneous. 500 month 6000 year.$21000
Tell me again how we are rich?????

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$800 per month for 1 person???
We’re a family of 4 and spend that.

Then eating out AND ordering out? Why spend so much on food???

Also when I lived in DC proper very few people had car payments. You either metro and uber or have used cars. Between the awful roads and car jackings wtf would you have a new car?

Gambling an entertainment?

This person isn’t good with money.

I make 150k as a single and spend about 160-200 a week on groceries, mostly from Whole Foods. However, I rarely ever eat out. I don't eat extravagantly, no steaks or lobsters, but everything does add up across the week. I've looked at other supermarkets and carefully studied their prices and don't see significant savings and quite often a quality tradeoff. So how does a family of 4 survive on 200 a week for groceries?