Anonymous
07/26/2023 10:05
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.
I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :
“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”
At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.
If comes down to whether or not the starter and ref are a$%holes or not. For an 8u swimmer, DQing after stand is a dick move.
There aren’t different rules for 8u. If the ref and starter both confirm the DQ by the rules, it’s a DQ.
Yeah, sounds like the starter was technically correct, the best kind of correct. I’d hate to be the starter in that situation but kudos to them for doing their job at the sake of looking like a jerk.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 09:54
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.
I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :
“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”
At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.
If comes down to whether or not the starter and ref are a$%holes or not. For an 8u swimmer, DQing after stand is a dick move.
There aren’t different rules for 8u. If the ref and starter both confirm the DQ by the rules, it’s a DQ.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 08:02
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.
I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :
“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”
At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.
If the stand command caused the swimmer to jump/false start, then it is not a DQ. In this case it sounded like the stand command was issued because forward motion had already started. In your example, that should have been a DQ.
That being said, benefit of the doubt always goes to the swimmer. If it was a true “fall in”, I wouldn’t call it.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 07:21
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.
I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :
“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”
At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.
If comes down to whether or not the starter and ref are a$%holes or not. For an 8u swimmer, DQing after stand is a dick move.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 07:17
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.
I’m confused by that too. From the NVSL Handbook :
“A swimmer who would otherwise be charged with a false start may be relieved of the charge if the false start was caused by the swimmer’s reaction to the “stand up” command.”
At one of our A meets, one of the visiting 8u swimmers was doing something similar (leaning forward before the start and about to fall in). The starter gave the stand command just as he was falling in. It seemed like it was done for the purpose of saving the kid from being DQd.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 07:06
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
If this swimmer went in after ‘stand,’ is it not a DQ. They should be allowed to swim.
Anonymous
07/25/2023 18:40
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
To add, no one was removed. Another starter took over at the halfway point, as per usual.
Anonymous
07/25/2023 18:38
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
The above is a mess of misinformation. The first half starter at the D1 divisionals meet had a slightly longer cadence than usual, perhaps because swimmers were wired and not getting set, perhaps to prevent swimmers from “anticipating starts,” as at least one team was coached to do this year. He issued the stand command several times. This seems to be what pp is referring to as “icing.”
An 8u swimmer wasn’t set, and was moving forward, so he issued the stand command. She continued forward, fell in, and dq’d. Burst into tears and was carted off by a coach.
Anonymous
07/25/2023 10:54
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
Can you actually explain what happened? What division you are talking about? And what you mean by “icing”? All these vague posts of yours aren’t helping. When was he removed?
Anonymous
07/25/2023 08:27
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most tech suits only last a thousand yards or so until they start losing their effectiveness. Many swimmers wear a different suit for warmups and cool downs. Since it takes 30-45 minutes for girls to put on a well fitting kneeskin, they’ll often wear a practice suit over their tech suit. Depends on how much time they have to change between warmups and their first event.
30-45 minutes is a bit extreme. More like 5-10. Kids aren't spending 30-45 minutes in cabanas at the pool changing. Get real.
Key words: well fitting
With a couple of friends, it's 20 minutes tops for all three of them to get suited up. Help is the key to getting those things on
Anonymous
07/25/2023 08:03
Subject: Divisionals
Real parents of DMV swim.
These posts never fail to entertain.
These posts never fail to entertain.
Anonymous
07/24/2023 22:25
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most tech suits only last a thousand yards or so until they start losing their effectiveness. Many swimmers wear a different suit for warmups and cool downs. Since it takes 30-45 minutes for girls to put on a well fitting kneeskin, they’ll often wear a practice suit over their tech suit. Depends on how much time they have to change between warmups and their first event.
30-45 minutes is a bit extreme. More like 5-10. Kids aren't spending 30-45 minutes in cabanas at the pool changing. Get real.
Key words: well fitting
DP. My DD gets her well fitting suit on in 10 minutes tops. She just sprays herself with Skin Slick and that bad boy goes on like magic.
Anonymous
07/24/2023 20:58
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most tech suits only last a thousand yards or so until they start losing their effectiveness. Many swimmers wear a different suit for warmups and cool downs. Since it takes 30-45 minutes for girls to put on a well fitting kneeskin, they’ll often wear a practice suit over their tech suit. Depends on how much time they have to change between warmups and their first event.
30-45 minutes is a bit extreme. More like 5-10. Kids aren't spending 30-45 minutes in cabanas at the pool changing. Get real.
Key words: well fitting
Anonymous
07/24/2023 19:31
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.
The starter and all officials and timers are switched out between the halves of the meet. The starter made the correct call before the girl was dq’d.
Anonymous
07/24/2023 17:44
Subject: Divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The NVSL D1 starter was a mess - icing heat after heat of kids until an 8U finally false started and was walked off deck sobbing. I’m not sure if they replaced the starter or he just got his head right, but it was better after that.
Other than that, Tuckahoe ran a great meet.
“Icing”?
The pp is probably referencing the starter giving the “stand” command after “Take your marks” because someone isn’t getting set.
That’s what they are supposed to do. Otherwise, you have an even worse situation where you made them wait to long.
PP here.
Yes. I agree.
Y’all clearly weren’t there. It was not done properly or he would not have been removed. Stop playing internet expert.