Anonymous
07/30/2023 04:11
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
If accepted to the Echols honors program at UVA, the open curriculum kicks in. As does priority registration for all the cool classes you can take because of said open curriculum.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 14:35
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you everyone. Rural is really not her vibe ! But the open curriculum colleges seem to be in rural places. We have to think about priorities.
Rochester (UofR), Middletown (Wes), Poughkeepsie (Vassar): not rural
Wes is not open curriculum.
OK, look. I get that you have a bone to pick with Wes on this. But every open curriculum school interprets it differently. There is no professional accreditation agency validating that a school is or is not open curriculum. Wes says it is, and it is widely acknowledged to be.
Your objection is duly noted, however.
9 required courses for some majors, to do a thesis, or to graduate with honors is not open curriculum. No school making that claim is even close to those requirements. No rational individual can call that an open curriculum. We can argue about where to draw the line with 2-3 courses; not 9.
Major requirements don't negate open curriculum. I don't think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context. It's not a total free for all.
If you had followed the thread, “major requirements” refers to Wesleyan’s gen ed requirements which several majors are required to fulfill, in addition to their major requirements, and irrespective of the honors, thesis, or double-major with minor issues.
Obviously true open curriculum schools, like Brown, require a major — just nothing else. I believe Amherst is the same, but am not interested enough to look it up. Grinnell requires 1 course…
If you think an “open curriculum” is compatible with a semester or more of gen ed requirements, “I don’t think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context.”
I did follow the thread. You make a lot of assumptions, but that seems par for the course for you. Not sure why you want to die on this hill. BTW, I have a kid who is at Brown and also accepted and strongly considered Wes and Vassar. All you had to do is mention some potential major/honors requirements. This war on Wes is ridiculous.
It's not a "war on Wes" to point out, accurately, that Wes has distribution requirements and therefore is not an open curriculum. It -- and many schools with distribution requirements -- is still a good school.
I think claiming a school is duplicitous is kind of warring, no? Even when several people try to explain, you keep hammering away, like a dog with a bone on this. And a very narrow definition of open curriculum. Just give it a rest.
You are responding to multiple posters, but we get you are the type who must have the last word.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 14:30
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you everyone. Rural is really not her vibe ! But the open curriculum colleges seem to be in rural places. We have to think about priorities.
Rochester (UofR), Middletown (Wes), Poughkeepsie (Vassar): not rural
Wes is not open curriculum.
OK, look. I get that you have a bone to pick with Wes on this. But every open curriculum school interprets it differently. There is no professional accreditation agency validating that a school is or is not open curriculum. Wes says it is, and it is widely acknowledged to be.
Your objection is duly noted, however.
9 required courses for some majors, to do a thesis, or to graduate with honors is not open curriculum. No school making that claim is even close to those requirements. No rational individual can call that an open curriculum. We can argue about where to draw the line with 2-3 courses; not 9.
Major requirements don't negate open curriculum. I don't think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context. It's not a total free for all.
If you had followed the thread, “major requirements” refers to Wesleyan’s gen ed requirements which several majors are required to fulfill, in addition to their major requirements, and irrespective of the honors, thesis, or double-major with minor issues.
Obviously true open curriculum schools, like Brown, require a major — just nothing else. I believe Amherst is the same, but am not interested enough to look it up. Grinnell requires 1 course…
If you think an “open curriculum” is compatible with a semester or more of gen ed requirements, “I don’t think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context.”
I did follow the thread. You make a lot of assumptions, but that seems par for the course for you. Not sure why you want to die on this hill. BTW, I have a kid who is at Brown and also accepted and strongly considered Wes and Vassar. All you had to do is mention some potential major/honors requirements. This war on Wes is ridiculous.
It's not a "war on Wes" to point out, accurately, that Wes has distribution requirements and therefore is not an open curriculum. It -- and many schools with distribution requirements -- is still a good school.
I think claiming a school is duplicitous is kind of warring, no? Even when several people try to explain, you keep hammering away, like a dog with a bone on this. And a very narrow definition of open curriculum. Just give it a rest.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 11:16
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you want to focus on a concentration and not do distribution requirements, go to school in Europe where people get their PhDs 2+ years earlier than in the US because they did all their distribution requirements in high school.
Or never did distribution requirements at all, as in the UK where they study only 3 subjects the last two years of high school.
Whoa!
Well, only require 3 subjects.
https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum/key-stage-3-and-4
(Each stage is 2 years)
?????
Key stage “4” is freshman and sophomore year of high school. Foreign languages aren’t even required for freshmen and sophomores…
Anonymous
07/26/2023 08:24
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you everyone. Rural is really not her vibe ! But the open curriculum colleges seem to be in rural places. We have to think about priorities.
Rochester (UofR), Middletown (Wes), Poughkeepsie (Vassar): not rural
Wes is not open curriculum.
OK, look. I get that you have a bone to pick with Wes on this. But every open curriculum school interprets it differently. There is no professional accreditation agency validating that a school is or is not open curriculum. Wes says it is, and it is widely acknowledged to be.
Your objection is duly noted, however.
9 required courses for some majors, to do a thesis, or to graduate with honors is not open curriculum. No school making that claim is even close to those requirements. No rational individual can call that an open curriculum. We can argue about where to draw the line with 2-3 courses; not 9.
Major requirements don't negate open curriculum. I don't think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context. It's not a total free for all.
If you had followed the thread, “major requirements” refers to Wesleyan’s gen ed requirements which several majors are required to fulfill, in addition to their major requirements, and irrespective of the honors, thesis, or double-major with minor issues.
Obviously true open curriculum schools, like Brown, require a major — just nothing else. I believe Amherst is the same, but am not interested enough to look it up. Grinnell requires 1 course…
If you think an “open curriculum” is compatible with a semester or more of gen ed requirements, “I don’t think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context.”
I did follow the thread. You make a lot of assumptions, but that seems par for the course for you. Not sure why you want to die on this hill. BTW, I have a kid who is at Brown and also accepted and strongly considered Wes and Vassar. All you had to do is mention some potential major/honors requirements. This war on Wes is ridiculous.
It's not a "war on Wes" to point out, accurately, that Wes has distribution requirements and therefore is not an open curriculum. It -- and many schools with distribution requirements -- is still a good school.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 08:19
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you everyone. Rural is really not her vibe ! But the open curriculum colleges seem to be in rural places. We have to think about priorities.
Rochester (UofR), Middletown (Wes), Poughkeepsie (Vassar): not rural
Wes is not open curriculum.
OK, look. I get that you have a bone to pick with Wes on this. But every open curriculum school interprets it differently. There is no professional accreditation agency validating that a school is or is not open curriculum. Wes says it is, and it is widely acknowledged to be.
Your objection is duly noted, however.
9 required courses for some majors, to do a thesis, or to graduate with honors is not open curriculum. No school making that claim is even close to those requirements. No rational individual can call that an open curriculum. We can argue about where to draw the line with 2-3 courses; not 9.
Major requirements don't negate open curriculum. I don't think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context. It's not a total free for all.
If you had followed the thread, “major requirements” refers to Wesleyan’s gen ed requirements which several majors are required to fulfill, in addition to their major requirements, and irrespective of the honors, thesis, or double-major with minor issues.
Obviously true open curriculum schools, like Brown, require a major — just nothing else. I believe Amherst is the same, but am not interested enough to look it up. Grinnell requires 1 course…
If you think an “open curriculum” is compatible with a semester or more of gen ed requirements, “I don’t think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context.”
I did follow the thread. You make a lot of assumptions, but that seems par for the course for you. Not sure why you want to die on this hill. BTW, I have a kid who is at Brown and also accepted and strongly considered Wes and Vassar. All you had to do is mention some potential major/honors requirements. This war on Wes is ridiculous.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 08:09
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
*doesn’t!
Anonymous
07/26/2023 08:08
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Hamilton does quite fit the bill (rural) but has open curriculum and is on the East Coast.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 01:01
Subject: Re:Open curriculum colleges
My kid applied to a few open curriculum colleges a few years ago but most of them were not. I think as long as she steers clear of core curriculum colleges, it'll work out. My kids have both ended up at colleges with some distribution requirements but they've been easy to fulfill for the most part.
Anonymous
07/25/2023 19:14
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you everyone. Rural is really not her vibe ! But the open curriculum colleges seem to be in rural places. We have to think about priorities.
Rochester (UofR), Middletown (Wes), Poughkeepsie (Vassar): not rural
Wes is not open curriculum.
OK, look. I get that you have a bone to pick with Wes on this. But every open curriculum school interprets it differently. There is no professional accreditation agency validating that a school is or is not open curriculum. Wes says it is, and it is widely acknowledged to be.
Your objection is duly noted, however.
9 required courses for some majors, to do a thesis, or to graduate with honors is not open curriculum. No school making that claim is even close to those requirements. No rational individual can call that an open curriculum. We can argue about where to draw the line with 2-3 courses; not 9.
Major requirements don't negate open curriculum. I don't think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context. It's not a total free for all.
If you had followed the thread, “major requirements” refers to Wesleyan’s gen ed requirements which several majors are required to fulfill, in addition to their major requirements, and irrespective of the honors, thesis, or double-major with minor issues.
Obviously true open curriculum schools, like Brown, require a major — just nothing else. I believe Amherst is the same, but am not interested enough to look it up. Grinnell requires 1 course…
If you think an “open curriculum” is compatible with a semester or more of gen ed requirements, “I don’t think you understand what open curriculum means in higher ed context.”
Anonymous
07/25/2023 18:35
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Kalamazoo college has the K-Plan—not exactly an open curriculum but worth looking at. They’re pretty generous with merit aid as well.
Anonymous
07/25/2023 18:30
Subject: Open curriculum colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you everyone. Rural is really not her vibe ! But the open curriculum colleges seem to be in rural places. We have to think about priorities.
Rochester (UofR), Middletown (Wes), Poughkeepsie (Vassar): not rural
Wes is not open curriculum.
OK, look. I get that you have a bone to pick with Wes on this. But every open curriculum school interprets it differently. There is no professional accreditation agency validating that a school is or is not open curriculum. Wes says it is, and it is widely acknowledged to be.
Your objection is duly noted, however.
9 required courses for some majors, to do a thesis, or to graduate with honors is not open curriculum. No school making that claim is even close to those requirements. No rational individual can call that an open curriculum. We can argue about where to draw the line with 2-3 courses; not 9.
LOL, I can and will call it open curriculum—because there is no formal definition, and (most importantly) you can graduate without completing this requirement. So, we’ll agree to disagree.
+1
IMO, Open curriculum is anywhere that the student gets to pick the specific courses to take to meet the "core curriculum". Wes sounds like that. Just like URochester---your major covers one area, then you need 3 courses each (or 3 and 2 in engineering) for the other two areas. Only "required course" is freshman writing. Otherwise you get to pick the specific courses you take outside of your major reqs. Nobody is going to have a truly open curriculum where you get to just take whatever courses you want and graduate (or at least not anywhere meaningful). You will still need to meet reqs for your major. But this is open. Unlike most schools where you are told: take 1 Eng, 1 Writing, 1 math, 1 science, 1 theology, 1 philosophy, 1 Psychology, 1 X, 1 Y, 1 Z, etc. Or you have to pick your courses for core curriculum from a specified list. That is not open.
I went to Brown. I had requirements as part of my major, but no other requirements -- no core, no distribution requirements, no expectations that I take anything other than the required number of credits. That's an open curriculum. A distribution requirement allows more choices than core requirements, but is still not open.