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Anonymous wrote:You are naive, OP. Where there is a will, there’s a way. You could ‘go to the gym’ at night, have dinner with a ‘friend’, you could say you are doing any number of things and run out for a quickie. I know people who work in an office will get a hotel room during lunch. And when I used to travel for work, married men especially would use their hotel room to hook up with women.

Am I the only one that does pretty much everything with my husband? And when we’re not together, we are meeting at the same location nearly always. To randomly disrupt that routine would set off a lot of red flags in our house. But maybe some spouses are just naive or in denial?

When I was married, I did zero with my husband. Literally zero. We lived in the same house. That is it. I don't know anyone who does EVERYTHING with their husband. I was married for 10 years. No cheating.

Perhaps that’s why you are using married in the past tense? My husband and I aren’t joined at the hip, but when the opportunity presents itself to be together we take it. He doesn’t need to come to our kids’ swim practice in the morning, but if he’s up and ready for work, he often comes with me and we drink our coffee and chat for 30 min. If we don’t have a 9am meeting, we walk the kids to school together so we can chat with each other for 7 minutes on the way home. We like each other and want to be together when we don’t have to divide and conquer with the kids .

More couples need to be like this: Actually liking spending time together that isn't spent on sex (DCUM's obsession), and actually having conversations. I'm betting many of your conversations are about things other than your kids, schedules and logistics, too--right? Because liking each other outside of bed, and talking about things other than the kids/logistics, are great indicators for a strong marriage. Good for you and your DH!

A lot of people on this forum describe their marriage this way and one partner still cheats.

A cheater can put on a good show for a long time but fundamentally they are just broken people.

+1. Cheaters basically are addicts, with all the lying and secrecy hallmarks of addiction. When you feel pity for their illness it makes it easier to move on and steer clear of their pathology.

+2 another poster that had lots of communication, shared deep thoughts together, socialized and spent all of our time together. We were always great friends and still had sex.

I agree that it was an addiction and a fix and at this time he also started secretly drinking to deal with his self-crisis and the stress of the lying. I wondered why he was all the sudden getting drunk so fast and his tolerance seeming to drop to zero when we socialized with friends on the weekends.

I saw the guy that worked at the hotel talked about drinks being sent up to the room midday. Yep. They usually are drinking too. I found airplane bottles in car. He down one before meeting her—helps with the ability to lie when you numb yourself.

When you resort to betraying and lying, you have done serious issues. Healthy people don’t do this stuff.

Oh sweetie, light pre-game drinking (note: not drunk, just a little buzz) isn't about dealing with lying, it's about making you a talker, loosens you up, you become funnier... and for men, a little extra stamina in the bedroom. And if you're then drinking more with the rendezvous, it makes it so you're drunker faster.

Anonymous wrote:for those that travel, are you not scared about getting some crazy? Especially women. Thats all I can think about. Getting some depraved loony on a business trip who is also a serial killer.

Anonymous wrote:My ex would wait for me to fall asleep, then he would go out around 11pm. I was a new mom so I was exhausted. But when baby woke up and I noticed he wasn't there multiple times, the running to McDonald's for a snack excuse stopped working. Especially when I noticed he took my car and gas was low, and that he had taken an apple with him to McDonald's and left it on my seat.

Used Google account to figure out his map history.

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Anonymous wrote:You are naive, OP. Where there is a will, there’s a way. You could ‘go to the gym’ at night, have dinner with a ‘friend’, you could say you are doing any number of things and run out for a quickie. I know people who work in an office will get a hotel room during lunch. And when I used to travel for work, married men especially would use their hotel room to hook up with women.

Am I the only one that does pretty much everything with my husband? And when we’re not together, we are meeting at the same location nearly always. To randomly disrupt that routine would set off a lot of red flags in our house. But maybe some spouses are just naive or in denial?

When I was married, I did zero with my husband. Literally zero. We lived in the same house. That is it. I don't know anyone who does EVERYTHING with their husband. I was married for 10 years. No cheating.

Perhaps that’s why you are using married in the past tense? My husband and I aren’t joined at the hip, but when the opportunity presents itself to be together we take it. He doesn’t need to come to our kids’ swim practice in the morning, but if he’s up and ready for work, he often comes with me and we drink our coffee and chat for 30 min. If we don’t have a 9am meeting, we walk the kids to school together so we can chat with each other for 7 minutes on the way home. We like each other and want to be together when we don’t have to divide and conquer with the kids .

More couples need to be like this: Actually liking spending time together that isn't spent on sex (DCUM's obsession), and actually having conversations. I'm betting many of your conversations are about things other than your kids, schedules and logistics, too--right? Because liking each other outside of bed, and talking about things other than the kids/logistics, are great indicators for a strong marriage. Good for you and your DH!

A lot of people on this forum describe their marriage this way and one partner still cheats.

A cheater can put on a good show for a long time but fundamentally they are just broken people.

+1. Cheaters basically are addicts, with all the lying and secrecy hallmarks of addiction. When you feel pity for their illness it makes it easier to move on and steer clear of their pathology.

+2 another poster that had lots of communication, shared deep thoughts together, socialized and spent all of our time together. We were always great friends and still had sex.

I agree that it was an addiction and a fix and at this time he also started secretly drinking to deal with his self-crisis and the stress of the lying. I wondered why he was all the sudden getting drunk so fast and his tolerance seeming to drop to zero when we socialized with friends on the weekends.

I saw the guy that worked at the hotel talked about drinks being sent up to the room midday. Yep. They usually are drinking too. I found airplane bottles in car. He down one before meeting her—helps with the ability to lie when you numb yourself.

When you resort to betraying and lying, you have done serious issues. Healthy people don’t do this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:You are naive, OP. Where there is a will, there’s a way. You could ‘go to the gym’ at night, have dinner with a ‘friend’, you could say you are doing any number of things and run out for a quickie. I know people who work in an office will get a hotel room during lunch. And when I used to travel for work, married men especially would use their hotel room to hook up with women.

Am I the only one that does pretty much everything with my husband? And when we’re not together, we are meeting at the same location nearly always. To randomly disrupt that routine would set off a lot of red flags in our house. But maybe some spouses are just naive or in denial?

Do you both WFH? What about errands? No work travel? No trips, for even a few hours to see relatives without both of you there? I’m pretty sure my DH has never cheated but I’ve thought about how he has plenty of ways to fit in in if he wanted to and we do most things together, within reason (don’t social separately, know where each other should be at all times but we do work outside the house and occasionally travel for work).

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Anonymous wrote:You are naive, OP. Where there is a will, there’s a way. You could ‘go to the gym’ at night, have dinner with a ‘friend’, you could say you are doing any number of things and run out for a quickie. I know people who work in an office will get a hotel room during lunch. And when I used to travel for work, married men especially would use their hotel room to hook up with women.

Am I the only one that does pretty much everything with my husband? And when we’re not together, we are meeting at the same location nearly always. To randomly disrupt that routine would set off a lot of red flags in our house. But maybe some spouses are just naive or in denial?

When I was married, I did zero with my husband. Literally zero. We lived in the same house. That is it. I don't know anyone who does EVERYTHING with their husband. I was married for 10 years. No cheating.

Perhaps that’s why you are using married in the past tense? My husband and I aren’t joined at the hip, but when the opportunity presents itself to be together we take it. He doesn’t need to come to our kids’ swim practice in the morning, but if he’s up and ready for work, he often comes with me and we drink our coffee and chat for 30 min. If we don’t have a 9am meeting, we walk the kids to school together so we can chat with each other for 7 minutes on the way home. We like each other and want to be together when we don’t have to divide and conquer with the kids .

More couples need to be like this: Actually liking spending time together that isn't spent on sex (DCUM's obsession), and actually having conversations. I'm betting many of your conversations are about things other than your kids, schedules and logistics, too--right? Because liking each other outside of bed, and talking about things other than the kids/logistics, are great indicators for a strong marriage. Good for you and your DH!

A lot of people on this forum describe their marriage this way and one partner still cheats.

A cheater can put on a good show for a long time but fundamentally they are just broken people.

Sure, that's true. But not universally true. I'm sorry you got burned somehow and can't imagine that, yes, there are couples like this where neither cheats.

There are also many couples that still have sex, often - in spite of what the cheater claims.

Yep. I was COMPLETELY blindsided. We were having regular sex 1-2x a week.

Common. A lot of men actually increase the amount of sex with their wives when cheating.