A little off topic, but I found this article about insights about the differences between ND and LSU recruiting very interesting. No surprises, but it's s strong reminder when you hear a former coach discuss how difficult it is to recruit for a school like Notre Dame.

Also interesting how he seems to be much happier at LSU. Good riddance. Never liked cranky Brian Kelly.

Anonymous wrote:The Notre Dame / NBC Sports negotiations will probably determine whether or not ND remains independent/can afford to remain independent. If Notre Dame can get a new contract with NBC valued at $60 million per year or more, then ND can afford independence.

They still have to play teams from other conferences that are getting larger. Not much room to schedule better OOC teams. ND will struggle to get marquis games.

The Notre Dame / NBC Sports negotiations will probably determine whether or not ND remains independent/can afford to remain independent. If Notre Dame can get a new contract with NBC valued at $60 million per year or more, then ND can afford independence.

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Anonymous wrote:https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/will-notre-dame-join-big-ten-exploring-board-trustees-evaluates-historic-decision-school-s-football-future

Light article that misses key points regarding Notre Dame's ability to schedule future games as conferences expand and how that will affect Notre Dame's value to TV networks.

I wish ND would stay an independent. Eventually they will be squeezed out of significant regular season games. You think NBC will give them a major contract playing Navy and Stanford every year? Even USC might reconsider their rivalry, since they will be playing Ohio State. Michigan, and Penn State most years. Notre Dane needs the Big Ten much more than the other way around.

The ND arrogance of independency will need to come to an end if they plan on staying relevant. I would think that top athletes wouldn’t want to play for a school with a weak schedule and limited television exposure.

Anonymous wrote:https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/will-notre-dame-join-big-ten-exploring-board-trustees-evaluates-historic-decision-school-s-football-future

Light article that misses key points regarding Notre Dame's ability to schedule future games as conferences expand and how that will affect Notre Dame's value to TV networks.

I wish ND would stay an independent. Eventually they will be squeezed out of significant regular season games. You think NBC will give them a major contract playing Navy and Stanford every year? Even USC might reconsider their rivalry, since they will be playing Ohio State. Michigan, and Penn State most years. Notre Dane needs the Big Ten much more than the other way around.

https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/will-notre-dame-join-big-ten-exploring-board-trustees-evaluates-historic-decision-school-s-football-future

Light article that misses key points regarding Notre Dame's ability to schedule future games as conferences expand and how that will affect Notre Dame's value to TV networks.

The BTN is a decent channel. Gives exposure to many sports that otherwise would not receive any (college soccer & wrestling are two examples).

The Pac-12 Network is done poorly.

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully we are in agreement that this is complete desperation on behalf of the ACC. (Not sure how to interpret the first post which announced this deal.)

Yeah, I was poking fun. Every league is going to have its bottom tier broadcast partner. The B1G will have games on Peacock and BTN, for example. It’s just that with ESPN’s SEC deal, the ACC is always going to get second-class treatment, and that will just compound over the years.

Or maybe we will get a Riverdale/Wake Forest crossover event. 🙂

Hopefully we are in agreement that this is complete desperation on behalf of the ACC. (Not sure how to interpret the first post which announced this deal.)

Anonymous wrote:Today, the ACC announced a blockbuster broadcast deal with the CW.

In related news, the CW apparently still exists.

Oof.

LOL !

Blockbuster deal ???? LOL !

13 football games & 37 men's & women's basketball games.

Seems more like desperation than a blockbuster deal.

UN-Oof !

Today, the ACC announced a blockbuster broadcast deal with the CW.

In related news, the CW apparently still exists.

Oof.

This thread has generated a lot of misinformation in the last couple of pages. For example: Claims that Sun Belt conference members only received $500,000 per school is not correct. May have been the regular season TV rights payout, but the total payout per school in 2019 was $18 million.

ACC schools payout are much higher than $17 million per year as suggested by another poster.

D-1 university athletic accounting is a specialized field. D-1 football teams are usually profitable themselves, but revenue is then spent to support the non-revenue sports and many other expenses.

When researching conference payouts, research total payout per member school, not just the TV rights payout.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

Not the only revenue source.

In 2019, the average salary for just the head coach at a Sun Belt Conference school was $650,000.

https://247sports.com/college/south-alabama/article/usa-todays-annual-feature-shows-where-the-sun-belt-salaries-rank-137410350/

"In 2019, only 25 of 130 schools in the high-grossing Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) whose members are large, mostly public universities (with some exceptions such as Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Stanford) reported positive net revenues (see here). In fact, the median athletic program in FBS in 2019 (the last pre-pandemic year) had an operating deficit of $18.8 million."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/analysis-who-is-winning-in-the-high-revenue-world-of-college-sports

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Notre Dame is the key as to whether or not there is a viable exit option for ACC member schools.

Notre Dame plays ice hockey in the Big Ten and Notre Dame football is quasi-independent in that it has agreed to only play 5 ACC football opponents per year and NBC, not ESPN, has the TV media rights to any & all regular season Notre Dame home football games. Lots of exceptions to ACC membership for Notre Dame.

Boston College plays ice hockey in the Hockey East all ice hockey conference.

Is more of a legal contractual matter than a sports issue.

The school with the most to lose if the ACC crumbles is probably Wake Forest University, then Duke & NC State (all of which are located in North Carolina).

Notre Dame probably needs to make the first move as it has the loosest relationship with the ACC among the 15 schools.

Where do BCC and Syracuse land? Does the Big 12 really take Pitt and Louisville? Does the Big10 actually want UVA and UNC? Does the SEC actually want VT? I think Miami and GT are the best positioned and that FSU and Clemson think they are well positioned. Assuming that UNC is sure about the Big10 offer, that's 5 that have a definite landing spot that is an upgrade (or at least believe that they have one).

I think the B1G would take:
UVA
UNC
Ga Tech
Miami

The SEC would take:
Clemson
FSU
VaTech
NC St(?)

Leaving:
BC
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Louisville
Pitt

The Big 12 would surely take some, but I imagine BC, Duke, and WF would be the most vulnerable to not having a seat.

But 13 more years of the majority of the ACC not making what they could get in the SEC/B1G seems untenable.

VT and Virginia are probably a package deal either for SEC or Big10. Unlikely the state would allow them to split. Same with C and NC State.

Clemson is in same state as USC but no doubt SEC takes them. Remember -- when this is done the SEC and Big 10 will be national not regional.

Above you list six people with no home --- what do you do to get them to end the rights deal?

Offer them an amount of money that makes it attractive to agree to dissolve the ACC.

ACC schools get about $17 million per year through 2036. The Sun Belt's deal pays 500k a year. If I'm Duke, it's taking a lot more than $100 million to get me to agree to dissolve the conference.

Not the only revenue source.

In 2019, the average salary for just the head coach at a Sun Belt Conference school was $650,000.

https://247sports.com/college/south-alabama/article/usa-todays-annual-feature-shows-where-the-sun-belt-salaries-rank-137410350/