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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Wow. I didn’t realize that study group formation was limited by race.

You’re wrong. They’re not limited by race, but they typically are limited by invitation. If there are preconceived notions based on stereotypes, then it will limit those invitations.

Can’t non-white students initiate study groups? I would not rely on being “invited” if I felt a study group would be beneficial.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Wow. I didn’t realize that study group formation was limited by race.

You’re wrong. They’re not limited by race, but they typically are limited by invitation. If there are preconceived notions based on stereotypes, then it will limit those invitations.

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

You are delusional if you think diversity will decrease because of the SC ruling. Just look at California which abolished AA in 1996. California schools are the most diverse in the nation. Some are even majority Asian and Hispanic. The demographic information is online, just look it up.

The UC system still suffers from a lack of diversity at its top schools and why there are clusters of Hispanics at lower ranked UC schools. They have a lot of date to back it up since race has not been a factor for over two decades in CA - https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185226895/heres-what-happened-when-affirmative-action-ended-at-california-public-colleges

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

You are delusional if you think diversity will decrease because of the SC ruling. Just look at California which abolished AA in 1996. California schools are the most diverse in the nation. Some are even majority Asian and Hispanic. The demographic information is online, just look it up.

The UC system still suffers from a lack of diversity at its top schools and why there are clusters of Hispanics at lower ranked UC schools. They have a lot of date to back it up since race has not been a factor for over two decades in CA - https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185226895/heres-what-happened-when-affirmative-action-ended-at-california-public-colleges

Interesting finding here since the anti-AA posters swear campus life will be roses for URMs since everyone else will be assured they “earned” their spot.

Most do not want to attend a university where there's not a critical mass of same race peers," said Mitchell Chang, the associate vice chancellor of equity, diversity and inclusion at UCLA. That's because attending a school made less diverse by an affirmative action ban, "puts them at greater risk of being stereotyped and being isolated," he said.

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

You are delusional if you think diversity will decrease because of the SC ruling. Just look at California which abolished AA in 1996. California schools are the most diverse in the nation. Some are even majority Asian and Hispanic. The demographic information is online, just look it up.

The UC system still suffers from a lack of diversity at its top schools and why there are clusters of Hispanics at lower ranked UC schools. They have a lot of date to back it up since race has not been a factor for over two decades in CA - https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185226895/heres-what-happened-when-affirmative-action-ended-at-california-public-colleges

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

You are delusional if you think diversity will decrease because of the SC ruling. Just look at California which abolished AA in 1996. California schools are the most diverse in the nation. Some are even majority Asian and Hispanic. The demographic information is online, just look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

You are delusional if you think diversity will decrease because of the SC ruling. Just look at California which abolished AA in 1996. California schools are the most diverse in the nation. Some are even majority Asian and Hispanic. The demographic information is online, just look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

You are delusional if you think diversity will decrease because of the SC ruling. Just look at California which abolished AA in 1996. California schools are the most diverse in the nation. Some are even majority Asian and Hispanic. The demographic information is online, just look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Wow. I didn’t realize that study group formation was limited by race.

You’re wrong. They’re not limited by race, but they typically are limited by invitation. If there are preconceived notions based on stereotypes, then it will limit those invitations.

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Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

If they try to select by race no matter what there will be lawsuits, stop it, be race blind, stop breaking the law and our constitution

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Computer Science. Intro programming course.

You TA’ed in one department for a couple semesters in 1990-something and decided that means you know the capabilities of all the Black students that were at UVA at the time across disciplines.

Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Computer Science. Intro programming course.