Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:52     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
I’m fine with ditching the old Confederate names, but why does it need a new name? Just call it “50.”
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:49     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As someone with a European parent whose native country endured a civil war in the 20th century (losing side were communists), I find it bizarre that there are ANY monuments, roads, schools, and other public facilities/structures in the US that bear the name of the losing side. There certainly aren't any in my parent's native country.

Good riddance to all the names of the traitors who wanted to rip the country apart--and their white supremacist, slavery-loving ideology.



Oh well this is easy. It’s because the war didn’t stay won. By 1876 it’s all over, and the Southern states are lost as far as the Constitution for the next several decades, depending on where you want to draw the line to bring them back.


It’s interesting because in the interest of preserving the union, the North was probably more forgiving and gracious than it should have been. In hindsight, all of the traitors should have been summarily executed, starting with Lee, who should have been castrated and had his testes shoved down his throat in a public square before being shot in the head. Jefferson Davis, too.


Wow. Unchecked anger issues.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:43     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.


Well first of all, there are some living survivors who bare the pain of the what the nazis did. Slavery was 250 years ago, if it were not for history books no one would even know if it. There is not a single person who is directly affected by Slavery living on the face of the planet in 2023.


Some opinions are different from mine, and some opinions - like this one - are just plain ignorant.




Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:41     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I remember growing up in Virginia as a white person and wondering why an actual paved highway was named after Civil War generals. It made no sense to me, even in the 70s.

Yep. I’m a black woman who grew up in VA off of Jefferson Davis Highway and thought it was f***** up then. Was I crying myself to sleep over it? No, but I knew it was there and I didn’t like it. Does changing the name solve racism? No, but it’s another step in the right direction.


I’m a Fairfax native who grew up here in the ‘70s and ‘80s and my friends and I were SO glad we didn’t go to Fairfax High because wtf with them being the “Rebels.” I can’t believe they just changed that a few years ago. Would not want my kid wearing a Johnny Reb mascot like it was cute. We also thought JEB Stuart was a terrible name. I distinctly recall riding The Rebel Yell roller coaster and thinking “well it’s 1984, come on people you need to rethink this name.”
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:36     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.


Well first of all, there are some living survivors who bare the pain of the what the nazis did. Slavery was 250 years ago, if it were not for history books no one would even know if it. There is not a single person who is directly affected by Slavery living on the face of the planet in 2023.


I say this sincerely; please go visit the Smithsonian Museum of African American History and Culture. Set aside the day, take your time and go through it with an open heart and an open mind. It does a masterful job on putting together all the links in the chain of the history from the earliest days of slavery to where we are today.

I’d also recommend you watch Finding Your Roots on PBS. Watch the visceral pain on the guests’ faces when they look at the documents showing their ancestors were treated as chattel-represented by a mere nameless entry. Slave owners literally erased the history of these people by not recording their names in any kind of record, other than maybe a first name in a will. Why should they get to have their own names remembered and celebrated?

Go to the museum and come back and have this conversation.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:30     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
This is awesome! Traitors should not be celebrated.

History belongs in museums and books, and other multimedia ways to learn from experts with appropriate context.

The end.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:25     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:Im not mad that they’re taking away the roads or moneuments, its just annoying that Northern Virginia is just trying to disaffiliate themselves from the South. They’re not proud to live in Virginia, they’re just using this as an excuse so they can say “I don’t live in the south, i live in Northern Virginia”. They think removing these will magically change the boundaries of where the south starts.


Hopefully, people in the rest of the state reject racism at some point. I’m not holding my breath that it will happen any time soon. They bought into the “CRT” lie.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:21     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Im not mad that they’re taking away the roads or moneuments, its just annoying that Northern Virginia is just trying to disaffiliate themselves from the South. They’re not proud to live in Virginia, they’re just using this as an excuse so they can say “I don’t live in the south, i live in Northern Virginia”. They think removing these will magically change the boundaries of where the south starts.


Southern states including Virginia should have to learn every county in their state to further create a sense of pride, and recite a state or southern anthem. it would be easier if virginia would write their counties on their license plates like most other southern states (tn, ky, ga, ms, al, fl)


Virginia did require this in the past.

No, I DGAF about ROVA racist/MAGA trash.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:18     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As someone with a European parent whose native country endured a civil war in the 20th century (losing side were communists), I find it bizarre that there are ANY monuments, roads, schools, and other public facilities/structures in the US that bear the name of the losing side. There certainly aren't any in my parent's native country.

Good riddance to all the names of the traitors who wanted to rip the country apart--and their white supremacist, slavery-loving ideology.



Oh well this is easy. It’s because the war didn’t stay won. By 1876 it’s all over, and the Southern states are lost as far as the Constitution for the next several decades, depending on where you want to draw the line to bring them back.


It’s interesting because in the interest of preserving the union, the North was probably more forgiving and gracious than it should have been. In hindsight, all of the traitors should have been summarily executed, starting with Lee, who should have been castrated and had his testes shoved down his throat in a public square before being shot in the head. Jefferson Davis, too.


Word
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 08:13     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.


Well first of all, there are some living survivors who bare the pain of the what the nazis did. Slavery was 250 years ago, if it were not for history books no one would even know if it. There is not a single person who is directly affected by Slavery living on the face of the planet in 2023.


150 years ago.

And legal systemic racism (with reminders like the statues & street names) lasted much longer.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 05:56     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why things like this aren’t voted on in the ballot box. (I’m no opposed to this change). We need more direct democracy


Because most people aren’t shedding tears by stripping public streets and buildings of the rotten names of murderous traitors?
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 05:51     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.


Well first of all, there are some living survivors who bare the pain of the what the nazis did. Slavery was 250 years ago, if it were not for history books no one would even know if it. There is not a single person who is directly affected by Slavery living on the face of the planet in 2023.


The statues aren’t just about slavery though. They were put up to celebrate and enforce the system of white supremacy that reigned in the South from about 1876 for about 100 years depending on when you draw the line. So there are lots of people alive directly affected by it.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 02:12     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.


Well first of all, there are some living survivors who bare the pain of the what the nazis did. Slavery was 250 years ago, if it were not for history books no one would even know if it. There is not a single person who is directly affected by Slavery living on the face of the planet in 2023.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 01:50     Subject: Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Where were you called a Nazi or accused of "supporting slavery"? Cite the specific lines. Oh sorry, you obviously can't because that didn't happen. You were asked a simple question that you reacted to in an extreme way. Why the vehement reaction? By the way, you did say you "chuckled" when you came across reminders of slavery in the names of streets.



I'm not the one who mentioned Nazis here. Seriously, the people on this board like you are unreal. If you aren't 100% on board with your point of view, you get thinly veiled comments that you support slavery or Nazism and gaslit about it and put words in your mouth (chuckling about reminders of slavery... you completely and intentionally misunderstood my point and twisted what I said) or that you are ignorant/uneducated. Reasonable people recognize that Civil War history and how this nation has dealt with that history is complicated. It's not entirely black and white and all good on one side and all evil on the other. Personally, I'm opposing to going around renaming everything in general for whatever reason for a whole host of reasons and do feel doing so erases the past/entire cultures/etc. I think it's important to keep the reminders of the past--even the bad parts--part of our daily lives. I do not view not changing dozens of street names, base names, etc. and not dealing with the hassle of all that entails as honoring anything. And yes, I think it adds something to our culture and local character, even if I don't support it. BTW, I'm chuckling at Virginians and Southerns who ascribe some sort of pride to the Confederacy and identify with it because I think it's silly, but I guess y'all can twist my words and turn that into "chuckling at reminders of slavery" and insinuate that I support slavery or find it funny. But at the end of the day, I'm not going to protest/rally in support of a decision to remove it or vote for/not vote for anyone based on their position on it.

You have no idea who I am or what race I am or who I talk to or don't talk to. You have no idea what I have or have not lived or what horrors my ancestors have been through (some were enslaved btw...) and what reminders I have had (some) and how it has or has not affected me. Some people are claiming I'm white, another is claiming my kids and husband are black. I'm not the poster who mentioned having a black husband who has the same point of view. Isn't it racist to assume that everyone feels the same way about something because of their race?
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2023 00:21     Subject: Re:Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Rich confederate history" is a funny way to spell slave-owning traitors.

Agreed. I wonder if Germans celebrate their “rich nazi history”…somehow I doubt it. And yes, slavery was just as bad as nazism.


Germans have put out markers in front of houses and buildings where Jews were forced out, to commemorate those specific people and their persecution. Imagine if we did something like that in this country, put up markers everywhere to note the names of enslaved people who lived or worked or were killed or sold or otherwise persecuted in a particular place.