Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 11:30     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You generally can’t have a life partner if they are financially separate and at a very different wealth level than you. Mainly because if that’s true, your partner should spend all their time trying to build their personal financial base and for retirement, etc. It would be a mistake for them to spend their time being a SAHP or going on vacations or whatever else the richer partner might want to do with their time with their partner. Should they live in a house solely owned by their partner, or should they be building equity in whatever house they can afford on their own? Etc. You’re just going to struggle to run a family if you’re really running two separate families in different tax brackets. And it’s a recipe for resentment and bad power dynamics.

For the ultra wealthy, there’s so much middle ground for reasonable and generous prenups that allow everyone to proceed in good faith with a reasonable level of security. The media portrays it like it’s half or nothing but that’s not true.


Not true in every relationship. I was rich before meeting DW I never asked for a prenup, she has always had full access to the money.


That's what PP said. You aren't disagreeing.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 11:28     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Rich or wealthy?

Wealthy will have a prenup.

Rich needs someone to raise the kids.

If no kids desired, sure, don’t get married.


Not so fast.  Even with a prenup, it can still be contested in court and you're at the mercy of the judicial system which is stacked against you.


The judicial system is stacked against the wealthy? Hahaha. The wealthy literally have killed people and got off scotch free. I don’t think you know how this country works.

I advise my UMC kids to steer clear of wealthy love interests.


In wealthy divorce both people are wealthy.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 11:10     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:You generally can’t have a life partner if they are financially separate and at a very different wealth level than you. Mainly because if that’s true, your partner should spend all their time trying to build their personal financial base and for retirement, etc. It would be a mistake for them to spend their time being a SAHP or going on vacations or whatever else the richer partner might want to do with their time with their partner. Should they live in a house solely owned by their partner, or should they be building equity in whatever house they can afford on their own? Etc. You’re just going to struggle to run a family if you’re really running two separate families in different tax brackets. And it’s a recipe for resentment and bad power dynamics.

For the ultra wealthy, there’s so much middle ground for reasonable and generous prenups that allow everyone to proceed in good faith with a reasonable level of security. The media portrays it like it’s half or nothing but that’s not true.


Not true in every relationship. I was rich before meeting DW I never asked for a prenup, she has always had full access to the money.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 10:24     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most rich men want the social standing that a high quality wife brings. This feels like a question only a man from a lower class/lower middle class background would ask.


I totally agree!


+1
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 10:24     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:The math just doesn’t seem to work. Why not just have kids with your girlfriend and never get married?


Any time a spouse has family money keep it separate!!
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 10:15     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Rich or wealthy?

Wealthy will have a prenup.

Rich needs someone to raise the kids.

If no kids desired, sure, don’t get married.


Not so fast.  Even with a prenup, it can still be contested in court and you're at the mercy of the judicial system which is stacked against you.


The judicial system is stacked against the wealthy? Hahaha. The wealthy literally have killed people and got off scotch free. I don’t think you know how this country works.

I advise my UMC kids to steer clear of wealthy love interests.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:59     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Rich or wealthy?

Wealthy will have a prenup.

Rich needs someone to raise the kids.

If no kids desired, sure, don’t get married.


Not so fast.  Even with a prenup, it can still be contested in court and you're at the mercy of the judicial system which is stacked against you.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:32     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
I think what OP stumbled backwards into is that taxes and regulations are too low, creating massive wealth imbalances between people.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:31     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:You generally can’t have a life partner if they are financially separate and at a very different wealth level than you. Mainly because if that’s true, your partner should spend all their time trying to build their personal financial base and for retirement, etc. It would be a mistake for them to spend their time being a SAHP or going on vacations or whatever else the richer partner might want to do with their time with their partner. Should they live in a house solely owned by their partner, or should they be building equity in whatever house they can afford on their own? Etc. You’re just going to struggle to run a family if you’re really running two separate families in different tax brackets. And it’s a recipe for resentment and bad power dynamics.

For the ultra wealthy, there’s so much middle ground for reasonable and generous prenups that allow everyone to proceed in good faith with a reasonable level of security. The media portrays it like it’s half or nothing but that’s not true.


But back to the OP, why get married? Wealthy guy can give give escalating payments to the gf over time, and child care payments are obligated regardless of marital situation.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:31     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Most rich men want the social standing that a high quality wife brings. This feels like a question only a man from a lower class/lower middle class background would ask.


I totally agree!
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:22     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
You generally can’t have a life partner if they are financially separate and at a very different wealth level than you. Mainly because if that’s true, your partner should spend all their time trying to build their personal financial base and for retirement, etc. It would be a mistake for them to spend their time being a SAHP or going on vacations or whatever else the richer partner might want to do with their time with their partner. Should they live in a house solely owned by their partner, or should they be building equity in whatever house they can afford on their own? Etc. You’re just going to struggle to run a family if you’re really running two separate families in different tax brackets. And it’s a recipe for resentment and bad power dynamics.

For the ultra wealthy, there’s so much middle ground for reasonable and generous prenups that allow everyone to proceed in good faith with a reasonable level of security. The media portrays it like it’s half or nothing but that’s not true.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:17     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.


This. You have to take a "discount" on the quality of wife. Elon, mentioned above, is a great example. His ex wife was prettier, smarter, and a better mother than his subsequent baby mamas.


Which one? He had several and he was into couple swapping with all of them. Men don't care about "quality" women, they want beautiful, great in bed, and someone who puts them on a pedestal.


Here is a hint for you: He MARRIED them, one he married TWICE.
And she still left him.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:13     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Wait, why is the OP about rich men only? Seems to me marriage would be even a worse deal for rich women, under OP’s hypothesis.


Marriage is a bad deal for most women, not just rich ones. The more educated and better paid women become, the less attractive marriage becomes. Rightfully.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2023 09:12     Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.


This. You have to take a "discount" on the quality of wife. Elon, mentioned above, is a great example. His ex wife was prettier, smarter, and a better mother than his subsequent baby mamas.


Which one? He had several and he was into couple swapping with all of them. Men don't care about "quality" women, they want beautiful, great in bed, and someone who puts them on a pedestal.