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Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

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Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

What do you want MCPS to do exactly?

As I've said, repeatedly, I want MCPS to:

1. Enforce its attendance policies. That means consequences for kids who skip and return to enforcement of its E3 policy (formerly called the Loss of Credit policy) that it used to have and implement as a routine and matter of fact before the pandemic.
MCPS cannot force kids to attend schools. There are consequences for chronic absenteeism.

2. Tighten up security. Kids are allowed to wander the halls. They easily walk in and out of the school building, which enables them to move freely when they're supposed to be in school. This is not ok. They need restrict the number of access points and put more monitors in place to ensure students aren't coming and going as they please.
Schools are not prisons. If they were, that would make even more kids to skip schools.

3. Stop turning a blind eye to the issue. MCPS is aware of its chronic offenders and they turn a blind eye because they don't have the energy, resources or interest to chase down parents or families, or because they don't want to sic the system on them. Ignoring the problem, which they think is a kindness to the family, is actually not in their best interest in the long run.
You have no idea of what you're talking about. MCPS is not turning a blind eye to the issue. Letters are sent to parents/guardians but they cannot make kids to attend schools if the parents don't.
You probably don't live in the county or have no kid in MCPS

1. I literally pointed out that E3 enforcement has been suspended. I know this because our MCPS high school principal told me so directly. There are not consequences for chronic absenteeism. If there were, MCPS would not be in the process of adjusting and enhancing those consequences. I know what I'm talking about and I'm engaged with several stakeholders within MCPS on this issue.

2. Tightening up security does not = a prison. Are airports prisons? Get a grip.

3. Again, I know several instances and cases where MCPS is turning a blind eye. I live in the county and have several children in MCPS. I have first-hand and second-hand experiences I'm drawing from. Stop gaslighting me and making wrongheaded assumptions when you have zero basis for your claims. What's your vested interest here? Why are you arguing from the position you are arguing? Also, it's 2023. I think our communications strategy should a bit more advanced and forceful than mailing letters, especially since we're in the digital age. This is another issue within MCPS: Antiquated communications strategies and policies that don't track with the way people connect and share information in the modern age.

Like I said, you have no idea of what you're talking about. They send emails and they send letters. I know what I am talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Would love to see some more nuanced data on this. Are they saying 18 full days? What do the parents say when contacted? How many can't be reached, versus how many say they didn't know, versus how many say that there was a good reason, versus how many say that their kid is out of control and there's nothing they can do?

At a lot of schools, the attendance records aren't accurate because subs don't keep them correctly or teachers can't correct them for tardies. Also some parents don't bother to write notes when a kid is coming in late after an orthodontist appointment or similar appointment, because no one really cares about that.

My understanding from our MCPS school is that this includes excused absences such as due to illness - meaning we were contacted about this for our elementary schooler who has only 2 unexcused absences the entire year (due to family travel) but 20 excused absences due to the constant illness circulating everywhere. So I’d like to see a better breakdown of how many kids are “chronically absent” based on unexcused absences before deciding whether this warrants the level of concern it seems to be provoking.

This.

If you have kids who tend to get sick easily, suffer from a chronic illness or migraines, have frequent appointments (dental, braces, therapists), etc. then you’ll notice absences. Throw in travel or family functions and the # of days add up quickly.

You know who has ridiculously strict truancy laws? Texas. Do you really want to be like Texas?

If you have kids who get sick that easily (seriously 20/180 days?), then maybe you should skip the travel.

RSV, strep, flu, Covid, strep again, plus throw in a couple of colds. Bam, 20 days. Also not skipping the minimal travel. Illness in 2023 ain’t like illness in 2019. Hopefully 2024 is better.

Anonymous wrote:We’re in a different county, not MCPS, but both my kids are chronically absent according to the state.
Why? Because we keep them home following the rules provided-24 hours fever free.
They each missed 1 day this year that wasn’t due to illness.
I hate the letters they send asking how we can work together to have my kids in school more often. Unless the state and school system want feverish kids showing up, they can’t.
Well, maybe enforcing the rule on other kids might let mine stay healthier.
Both are advanced straight A students fwiw. One in HS.

Anonymous wrote:What % were absent 5 years ago, 10, 20?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

?

Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

What do you want MCPS to do exactly?

As I've said, repeatedly, I want MCPS to:

1. Enforce its attendance policies. That means consequences for kids who skip and return to enforcement of its E3 policy (formerly called the Loss of Credit policy) that it used to have and implement as a routine and matter of fact before the pandemic.
MCPS cannot force kids to attend schools. There are consequences for chronic absenteeism.

2. Tighten up security. Kids are allowed to wander the halls. They easily walk in and out of the school building, which enables them to move freely when they're supposed to be in school. This is not ok. They need restrict the number of access points and put more monitors in place to ensure students aren't coming and going as they please.
Schools are not prisons. If they were, that would make even more kids to skip schools.

3. Stop turning a blind eye to the issue. MCPS is aware of its chronic offenders and they turn a blind eye because they don't have the energy, resources or interest to chase down parents or families, or because they don't want to sic the system on them. Ignoring the problem, which they think is a kindness to the family, is actually not in their best interest in the long run.
You have no idea of what you're talking about. MCPS is not turning a blind eye to the issue. Letters are sent to parents/guardians but they cannot make kids to attend schools if the parents don't.
You probably don't live in the county or have no kid in MCPS

1. I literally pointed out that E3 enforcement has been suspended. I know this because our MCPS high school principal told me so directly. There are not consequences for chronic absenteeism. If there were, MCPS would not be in the process of adjusting and enhancing those consequences. I know what I'm talking about and I'm engaged with several stakeholders within MCPS on this issue.

2. Tightening up security does not = a prison. Are airports prisons? Get a grip.

3. Again, I know several instances and cases where MCPS is turning a blind eye. I live in the county and have several children in MCPS. I have first-hand and second-hand experiences I'm drawing from. Stop gaslighting me and making wrongheaded assumptions when you have zero basis for your claims. What's your vested interest here? Why are you arguing from the position you are arguing? Also, it's 2023. I think our communications strategy should a bit more advanced and forceful than mailing letters, especially since we're in the digital age. This is another issue within MCPS: Antiquated communications strategies and policies that don't track with the way people connect and share information in the modern age.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

?

Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

What do you want MCPS to do exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

?

Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

What do you want MCPS to do exactly?

As I've said, repeatedly, I want MCPS to:

1. Enforce its attendance policies. That means consequences for kids who skip and return to enforcement of its E3 policy (formerly called the Loss of Credit policy) that it used to have and implement as a routine and matter of fact before the pandemic.
MCPS cannot force kids to attend schools. There are consequences for chronic absenteeism.

2. Tighten up security. Kids are allowed to wander the halls. They easily walk in and out of the school building, which enables them to move freely when they're supposed to be in school. This is not ok. They need restrict the number of access points and put more monitors in place to ensure students aren't coming and going as they please.
Schools are not prisons. If they were, that would make even more kids to skip schools.

3. Stop turning a blind eye to the issue. MCPS is aware of its chronic offenders and they turn a blind eye because they don't have the energy, resources or interest to chase down parents or families, or because they don't want to sic the system on them. Ignoring the problem, which they think is a kindness to the family, is actually not in their best interest in the long run.
You have no idea of what you're talking about. MCPS is not turning a blind eye to the issue. Letters are sent to parents/guardians but they cannot make kids to attend schools if the parents don't.
You probably don't live in the county or have no kid in MCPS

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

?

Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

What do you want MCPS to do exactly?

As I've said, repeatedly, I want MCPS to:

1. Enforce its attendance policies. That means consequences for kids who skip and return to enforcement of its E3 policy (formerly called the Loss of Credit policy) that it used to have and implement as a routine and matter of fact before the pandemic.
MCPS cannot force kids to attend schools. There are consequences for chronic absenteeism.

2. Tighten up security. Kids are allowed to wander the halls. They easily walk in and out of the school building, which enables them to move freely when they're supposed to be in school. This is not ok. They need restrict the number of access points and put more monitors in place to ensure students aren't coming and going as they please.
Schools are not prisons. If they were, that would make even more kids to skip schools.

3. Stop turning a blind eye to the issue. MCPS is aware of its chronic offenders and they turn a blind eye because they don't have the energy, resources or interest to chase down parents or families, or because they don't want to sic the system on them. Ignoring the problem, which they think is a kindness to the family, is actually not in their best interest in the long run.
You have no idea of what you're talking about. MCPS is not turning a blind eye to the issue. Letters are sent to parents/guardians but they cannot make kids to attend schools if the parents don't.
You probably don't live in the county or have no kid in MCPS

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

?

Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

What do you want MCPS to do exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, my commentary was supposed to be outside of the QUOTE:

I think it's abysmal that MCPS does not understand, at this stage, some of the root causes for this chronic absenteeism and that they haven't rolled out this absenteeism plan after it was announced in March.

This is why people are disgusted and fed up with MCPS. Slow to act, no action, and always behind the curve.

MCPS is systematicly allowing the entire public school system to collapse. Sit back and watch.

OR get out en mass and DEMAND action.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-7_truancy.pdf

Truancy and chronic absenteeism report for mcps from 2010. Interestingly, there wasn’t much of a problem. Data highlights it was primarily an issue for black and latino boys.

National data says 1 in 4 black and Latino boys are chronically absent.

Thank you for digging this up! It's so sad how often MCPS becomes aware of a problem, even reports and looks into the problem, and then allows it to fester and become worse and then act like it's a new situation that they now need to spend months and resources studying again to understand.

Kennedy had an 8.7% chronically absent rate in 2008 and now it's over 50% in 2023! How did they let it get this bad????

?

Um…the massive influx in latino newcomers—mostly boys? The school is more than 70% latino today, but that wasn’t the case 10 years ago. The surrounding area has more than its fair share of garden apartments and SFHs that are rented or owned by latinos.

It’s not a school problem.

It’s a subcultural reality: newcomers and 1st Gen latinos from certain countries aren’t here for the education.

They identified Latin families and boys specifically as being more likely to be chronically absent and for the reasons they researched and confirmed. None of that changed. The only thing that happened was the pandemic, which seemed to accelerate the severity of the issue.

So MCPS knows the root causes and that certain groups within the student population were more likely be chronically absent that others. They've known this information since 2005.

The report lays out actions and responsibilities across three groups:

- Schools
- Parents and Families
- Government Agencies (DHHS, MCPD, etc.)

Your point about subcultural behaviors is one component, and you're not wrong. But it doesn't absolve MCPS of its responsibility for tackling its portion of the problem. Unless you want to argue MCPS has done an above average, thorough job of doing everything it can and should be doing, which includes effective and consistent enforcement of its attendance policy. And if you want to make that claim, I'd like to see evidence of it, cause it contradicts my lived experience as a current parent of MCPS high school students.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, my commentary was supposed to be outside of the QUOTE:

I think it's abysmal that MCPS does not understand, at this stage, some of the root causes for this chronic absenteeism and that they haven't rolled out this absenteeism plan after it was announced in March.

This is why people are disgusted and fed up with MCPS. Slow to act, no action, and always behind the curve.