Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:36
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.
And what do you say to a woman who does not have any choices? Your mistake is to take this one example and decide this family had choices so pffft who cares about the law. But what does that mean for a woman who will lose her job for taking 5 days sick leave, who has no money, no family or friends to take care of her other children so she can fly to another state for an abortion, who does not have the wherewithal to find the clinic that will accept her? Your rigid absolutism (“she could find a way if she tried hard enough”) is the reason people reject conservative thinking. You really don’t care about people. And you don’t care they are put in such difficult circumstances.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:36
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
It is trauma either way, but ending the pregnancy early seems slightly less traumatic than watching a full grown baby struggle and die
Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:33
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.
Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.
Relocate
Is that what you would have told someone in the pre civil war era who was bothered by slavery? Relocate to a free state if it bugs you so?
Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:32
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.
Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.
Relocate
Sure, all women should move out of red states. What a great solution.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:22
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.
Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.
Relocate
Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:22
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?
Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/
Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?
Mother can undego D&E. It isn't your place to choose what is least traumatic to another person, no? That IS what you are doing here.
Again, she had choices.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 09:22
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.
Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:45
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Traumatic either way?
Who is to say?
I would choose to terminate as that would be less traumatic for me.
You might choose not to.
That’s the point. We should all have a choice.
We don’t need politicians ( or the nanny state if you will) deciding for us.
Who is to say?
I would choose to terminate as that would be less traumatic for me.
You might choose not to.
That’s the point. We should all have a choice.
We don’t need politicians ( or the nanny state if you will) deciding for us.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:39
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?
Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/
Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?
Mother can undego D&E. It isn't your place to choose what is least traumatic to another person, no? That IS what you are doing here.
No comment on this question?
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:38
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?
Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/
Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?
My staunchly conservative brother and sister in law were anti abortion till they found themselves in a very similar situation to this woman with a fatal diagnosis. My sister in law chose the potassium chloride and D&E route.
Dp - so do they vote differently now?
Doubtful but they also hate Trump as traditional conservatives so who knows how they are voting.
However, I was vacationing with them and other conservative family members at the time RvW was overturned and my brother and a couple others bemoaned how the GOP is shooting itself in the foot on this issue and expressed concern it would cost elections.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:36
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.
Choices were limited by her state. Why should a woman need to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare?
You also ignored the person with the very valid point of the logistics of finding a clinic that will do this late term abortion when it now requires out of state care and she cannot get a direct referral so needs to find an out of state doctor to take her on on short term notice.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:34
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?
Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/
Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?
My staunchly conservative brother and sister in law were anti abortion till they found themselves in a very similar situation to this woman with a fatal diagnosis. My sister in law chose the potassium chloride and D&E route.
Dp - so do they vote differently now?
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:32
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?
Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/
Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?
My staunchly conservative brother and sister in law were anti abortion till they found themselves in a very similar situation to this woman with a fatal diagnosis. My sister in law chose the potassium chloride and D&E route.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:29
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?
Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/
Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?
Mother can undego D&E. It isn't your place to choose what is least traumatic to another person, no? That IS what you are doing here.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 08:27
Subject: "The [abortion] law has created torture."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?
Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.
That wasn’t in this article.
It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth
1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare
+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.
Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.
On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.
It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.
They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.
Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.
Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure
So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.
Again, the family had choices.