Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:54
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.
Sure, let's just shuttle "them" iff to some wayward destination with no jobs, no medical care and no opportunity. What you are describing was called a concentration camp, OP.
Whatever “jobs” these people are doing (I am skeptical that that they are working) are equivalent to being a 7/11 gas attendant. In other words, jobs that exist EVERYWHERE. These people aren’t policy wonks who have jobs that are tied to DC FFS.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:52
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.
Sure, let's just shuttle "them" iff to some wayward destination with no jobs, no medical care and no opportunity. What you are describing was called a concentration camp, OP.
No jobs? No opportunity? These people aren't capable of jobs and they don't have much opportunity in their lives already!
I guess we should be grateful the OP is only recommending concentration camps, vs. death camps.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:39
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.
Sure, let's just shuttle "them" iff to some wayward destination with no jobs, no medical care and no opportunity. What you are describing was called a concentration camp, OP.
No jobs? No opportunity? These people aren't capable of jobs and they don't have much opportunity in their lives already!
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:17
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.
Sure, let's just shuttle "them" iff to some wayward destination with no jobs, no medical care and no opportunity. What you are describing was called a concentration camp, OP.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:06
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From someone who volunteers with DC's downtown homeless-- probably over 65% of the people we serve are struggling with some form of mental illness. Homelessness at its core is the result of Reagan's deinstitutionalization policies of the early 1980s. Cities have been paying the price ever since.
So a policy from 40+ years ago is to blame for the current homeless situation? What about for a 30 year old homeless person who wasn't even born then?
You’re not very bright. A 30 y/o homeless person today can’t be institutionalized as a result of Reagan.
People were abused horribly in those facilities
People are abused in prisons and schools and we don't abolish them either.
Also, I am not the poster who got asked the question but yes, I am both for homeless being removed and deportation of those here illegally. (And before you start, I am a legal immigrant AND came through the refugee program - which my family applied to without crossing the border illegally.)
So improve the facilities, but don’t throw out the idea altogether. People are abused horribly in churches, shall we abolish them?
Notice the meaningful distinction between churches, where attendance is voluntary, and mental institutions, where people are committed involuntarily.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:02
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
^^^or were
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:02
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From someone who volunteers with DC's downtown homeless-- probably over 65% of the people we serve are struggling with some form of mental illness. Homelessness at its core is the result of Reagan's deinstitutionalization policies of the early 1980s. Cities have been paying the price ever since.
So a policy from 40+ years ago is to blame for the current homeless situation? What about for a 30 year old homeless person who wasn't even born then?
You’re not very bright. A 30 y/o homeless person today can’t be institutionalized as a result of Reagan.
People were abused horribly in those facilities
So improve the facilities, but don’t throw out the idea altogether. People are abused horribly in churches, shall we abolish them?
Notice the meaningful distinction between churches, where attendance is voluntary, and mental institutions, where people are committed involuntarily.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 08:01
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So how would they find job/rehabilitation while they’re out there in the middle of nowhere?
Employees would live on-site & security would be strong. On-site medical & addiction services. Busing back and forth to DC for additional resources.
In your model they would live there indefinitely. Like a prison sentence.
Don’t care as long as they’re not on the streets scaring prospective net-taxpayers away.
The inalienable rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, but only for people who (believe they) pay more in taxes than they receive in services.
Need to have enough makers around to subsidize the takers.
A disciple of Ayn Rand is posting on DCUM.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:56
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So how would they find job/rehabilitation while they’re out there in the middle of nowhere?
Employees would live on-site & security would be strong. On-site medical & addiction services. Busing back and forth to DC for additional resources.
In your model they would live there indefinitely. Like a prison sentence.
Don’t care as long as they’re not on the streets scaring prospective net-taxpayers away.
The inalienable rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, but only for people who (believe they) pay more in taxes than they receive in services.
Need to have enough makers around to subsidize the takers.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:55
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.
Annnnnd what if they don't want to go?
Their options should be: go, be put in prison or find market-rate housing yourself.
So you want homelessness to be a crime? Awesome.
Correct
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:53
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From someone who volunteers with DC's downtown homeless-- probably over 65% of the people we serve are struggling with some form of mental illness. Homelessness at its core is the result of Reagan's deinstitutionalization policies of the early 1980s. Cities have been paying the price ever since.
So a policy from 40+ years ago is to blame for the current homeless situation? What about for a 30 year old homeless person who wasn't even born then?
You’re not very bright. A 30 y/o homeless person today can’t be institutionalized as a result of Reagan.
People were abused horribly in those facilities
So improve the facilities, but don’t throw out the idea altogether. People are abused horribly in churches, shall we abolish them?
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:18
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:From someone who volunteers with DC's downtown homeless-- probably over 65% of the people we serve are struggling with some form of mental illness. Homelessness at its core is the result of Reagan's deinstitutionalization policies of the early 1980s. Cities have been paying the price ever since.
Wrong president. De-institutionalization began in the Kennedy administration. https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp-rj.2021.160404
"psychiatrists cautioned that commitment to community models required mental health professionals to fully address the social problems—such as poor socialization and lack of housing, food, and clothing—that exacerbate mental illness in community settings."
Homeless primarily due to mental illness, addiction, finances really should be served by 3 separate continuums. Any residential for each should be in or near the community from which the individual is from. And support services should be provided for example to an indvidual or family that can transition to independent housing. SF Whole Foods https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/whole-foods-san-francisco-closed-temporarily/3202184/
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:18
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:If I was the Mayor of DC, I’d bus/fly out any homeless person who wasn’t born in DC or lived here for at least 20+ years. So many are coming from dumpy Red States or the dumpy Red parts of Blue states in search of drug. Once they get caught on a charge, they get escorted to their place of birth by an MPD officer on paid duty to cross state lines.
City Mayors really need to take a hardline on outsiders who come from elsewhere.
So you are also not against deportation, right?
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:18
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.
It could be done on a surplus federal military installation. Give the homeless a choice. Be arrested for camping on federal parkland in DC OR move to a federal installation where there will be provided with construction job skills and counseling. It should be piloted.
Ok. So more like an internment or work camp.
No. A jail diversion program where they could learn a life skill and/or get treatment.
Or, we could continue to fill the apartment buildings along Connecticut Avenue with them at $3000/month indefinitely.
Seems to be going well.
https://www.popville.com/2023/04/278585/
The goal is to get these people out of elite neighborhoods. Live your vote people.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 07:17
Subject: Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From someone who volunteers with DC's downtown homeless-- probably over 65% of the people we serve are struggling with some form of mental illness. Homelessness at its core is the result of Reagan's deinstitutionalization policies of the early 1980s. Cities have been paying the price ever since.
So a policy from 40+ years ago is to blame for the current homeless situation? What about for a 30 year old homeless person who wasn't even born then?
You’re not very bright. A 30 y/o homeless person today can’t be institutionalized as a result of Reagan.
People were abused horribly in those facilities