Anonymous
04/06/2023 10:28
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
We have popular college sports(basketball, football) dominated/overrepresented by Blacks.
Nothing's wrong if an academical area is dominated/overrepresented by Asians.
Nothing's wrong if an academical area is dominated/overrepresented by Asians.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 10:21
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
GTF@ of here with that cr@p you race baiter. Why don't you identify yourself rather than hiding behind "anonymous", bet you wouldn't write that then.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 09:57
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
These are admitted students, right? Not enrolled. Maybe Harvard just shifted URM admits to SCEA (thus increasing yield for that group, and thus decreasing the number of admits needed to hit its targets), while shifting white and Asian admits to RD (thus decreasing yield for that group, increasing the numbers it could admit without exceeding its targets).
That is a plan they could have developed after the oral argument. It seems consistent with anecdotal reports from local private schools. And it would be calibrated to produce this well-timed press release, while having zero net effect on the on-campus enrollment numbers.
That is a plan they could have developed after the oral argument. It seems consistent with anecdotal reports from local private schools. And it would be calibrated to produce this well-timed press release, while having zero net effect on the on-campus enrollment numbers.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 09:47
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
Dont even.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 09:44
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 09:39
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?
Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.
my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.
So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.
do you understand proportionality?
The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 09:34
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:supermen court case is not about holistic admissions - it’s about race
Schools will use holistic admissions to get around the case and take who they want
It’s not hard to tell from zip codes and such.
Case isn’t radically changing admissions. Schools will find a way to take wh they want.
Asian was around 18% in 2014 when the lawsuit began.
It increased gradually over the years and now 30%.
I think it had an effect.
Sure they'll have some room to wiggle around, but need to be very careful now.
Huge costly law suits can come in any time.
What was the % of AA and in 2014?
Anonymous
04/06/2023 08:58
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sound of white people crying over selective college admissions is amazing.
Supreme court is going to rule on affirmative action later this year.
Look at Caltech's demographics to see the future. (Caltech is race-blind)
I don't think they are race-blind. If they were race blind they would have 0 Latino or Black students just like TJ.
So even CalTech will have even more Asian
Anonymous
04/06/2023 08:56
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sound of white people crying over selective college admissions is amazing.
Supreme court is going to rule on affirmative action later this year.
Look at Caltech's demographics to see the future. (Caltech is race-blind)
I don't think they are race-blind. If they were race blind they would have 0 Latino or Black students just like TJ.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 08:51
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since people are obsessed with racial demographics, according to the article:
Asians: 29.9
Black: 15.3
Latino: 11.3
Native American: 2
Hawaiian: .5
Total: 59%
Implication: whites are 41%
US racial demographics- tried to find current data and found this for 18-24 y/o as of 2021: https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/11207-young-adult-population-ages-18-to-24-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/2048/68,69,67,12,70,66,71,7983/21595,21596
Asians: 6%
Black: 14%
Latino: 23%
Native American: 1%
Hawaiian: .5%
White: 53%
Interesting. Technically speaking, whites are visibly underrepresented, as are Latinos, if the goal is to have Harvard's student body mirror national demographics. We could add an overlay of faith but that gets tricker so let's leave it aside for now. We all know Harvard doesn't admit on merit, so it's not really clear what they're looking for in the ideal student body as they also don't have proportional racial demographic mix either.
Has this always been Harvard’s goal?
Asians have long been over represented, which is what makes the lawsuit so stupid
Asian Americans are over represented compared to the national population, but NOT to the number of applicants. Isn't that an important factor to consider? Maybe Harvard needs to get more AAs and Latino/a students to apply first, and then worry about the discriminatory stats. The question people should be asking is not why do Asian American families care so much about educational success, but rather why do other racial/ethnic groups seem not to want it as badly?
Harvard is intentionally upholding the negative stereotype of AsAms having no personality in order to keep the number of AsAm students down because there is no other objective way to do so.
The anti-Asian sentiment on this thread is subtle but present--the ambition and academic success of Asian Americans makes people uncomfortable because they full advantage of democratic ideal of meritocracy and outshine racial/ethnic groups in the process by any objective measure. We can debate about whether SATs are "objective" but when you have immigrant children whose parents don't speak a lick of English living in Chinatowns scoring 1500+ of their SATs, you can't say that subtle cultural biases in the test prevent other racial/ethnic groups from scoring well.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 08:45
Subject: Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:But no reputable US university is transparent and admits on merit alone! Then all schools would have the same ranked accepted list. Each kid can only select one school.
Why is this all about Harvard? I don’t get it. If everyone hates Harvard, then why do you want your kid to attend? What story do you want to tell. “They were forced to accept us LOL”.
There are 3000 universities. These conversations are like a scorned woman Who only wants the guy who doesn’t want them. Pitiful and embarrassing!
Is the goal for schools to be all Asian? Let’s say we get what we asking for…. Most top kids aren’t going to attend a school that has changed what made it elite over the past 100+ years. Companies aren’t going to hire from a school if they only admit based on grades/race. And these top schools won’t have alumni athletes, presidents, CEOs, etc.
Harvards admit rate is so low because so many with a glimmer of hope throw their name in the hat…. Like playing the lottery with no real expectation to win. If they only admit 1600 SAT scores and 4.0 unweighted Gpa then only those students would even apply. Is the goal for Harvard to have a near 100% acceptance rate? Then the UNCs and UVAs won’t accept tip-top kids because they’ll assume they all got accepted/will attend T10 schools. Oh But then we’ll just sue UVA!
Alumni, legacy, admit rate….. This is the brand. why do we even want to Go to a school whose brand would be diluted?
But that’s not going to happen. Sorry! College admissions are changing, race is changing; race was created to separate us. It was created to discriminate - one day everyone will be mixed. Maybe except for my Asian friends who are the ones so stuck on race and education.
They picked one worst example from the high profile privates and also one from the state flagship.
The Supreme court decision will apply to every college.
There's no perfect system, but the goal is to have a more clear, fair, transparent, non-discriminatory system which is good for the health of the society and the nation.
Again nobody said only admit 1600 SAT scores and 4.0 unweighted Gpa.
Why do you still say this? Look at the data again, Asians are better in ECs, Leadership, interview, etc. all around.
Use holistic, use TO, just make the game of the rule more clear and fair.
If colleges want to do whatever they want to do, give up all the tax benefits, local, state, federal assistance.
CalTech has well over 40% Asian? its brand is top notch.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say from the last sentence, but yes using race is so outdated.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 08:39
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since people are obsessed with racial demographics, according to the article:
Asians: 29.9
Black: 15.3
Latino: 11.3
Native American: 2
Hawaiian: .5
Total: 59%
Implication: whites are 41%
US racial demographics- tried to find current data and found this for 18-24 y/o as of 2021: https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/11207-young-adult-population-ages-18-to-24-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/2048/68,69,67,12,70,66,71,7983/21595,21596
Asians: 6%
Black: 14%
Latino: 23%
Native American: 1%
Hawaiian: .5%
White: 53%
Interesting. Technically speaking, whites are visibly underrepresented, as are Latinos, if the goal is to have Harvard's student body mirror national demographics. We could add an overlay of faith but that gets tricker so let's leave it aside for now. We all know Harvard doesn't admit on merit, so it's not really clear what they're looking for in the ideal student body as they also don't have proportional racial demographic mix either.
Has this always been Harvard’s goal?
Asians have long been over represented, which is what makes the lawsuit so stupid
Having a larger proportion of more qualified applicants is not overrepresentation
Anonymous
04/06/2023 08:23
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:supermen court case is not about holistic admissions - it’s about race
Schools will use holistic admissions to get around the case and take who they want
It’s not hard to tell from zip codes and such.
Case isn’t radically changing admissions. Schools will find a way to take wh they want.
Asian was around 18% in 2014 when the lawsuit began.
It increased gradually over the years and now 30%.
I think it had an effect.
Sure they'll have some room to wiggle around, but need to be very careful now.
Huge costly law suits can come in any time.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 06:33
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sound of white people crying over selective college admissions is amazing.
Supreme court is going to rule on affirmative action later this year.
My guess is it won’t change anything. None of this sounds like affirmative action policies.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 06:32
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Since people are obsessed with racial demographics, according to the article:
Asians: 29.9
Black: 15.3
Latino: 11.3
Native American: 2
Hawaiian: .5
Total: 59%
Implication: whites are 41%
US racial demographics- tried to find current data and found this for 18-24 y/o as of 2021: https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/11207-young-adult-population-ages-18-to-24-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/2048/68,69,67,12,70,66,71,7983/21595,21596
Asians: 6%
Black: 14%
Latino: 23%
Native American: 1%
Hawaiian: .5%
White: 53%
Interesting. Technically speaking, whites are visibly underrepresented, as are Latinos, if the goal is to have Harvard's student body mirror national demographics. We could add an overlay of faith but that gets tricker so let's leave it aside for now. We all know Harvard doesn't admit on merit, so it's not really clear what they're looking for in the ideal student body as they also don't have proportional racial demographic mix either.
Has this always been Harvard’s goal?
Asians have long been over represented, which is what makes the lawsuit so stupid