Anonymous
03/29/2023 22:05
Subject: Succession - Season 4
The subplot with Cousin Greg and his date was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 22:02
Subject: Succession - Season 4
I want a spin off that is just Geri, Frank and Karl. The three of them are hilarious.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 21:20
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Show has been running in circles since season 2. Anyone who claims this is their fav show and it’s so brilliant gets a side-eye from me.
Yes, it feels like Groundhogs Day but I still love it.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 21:16
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Show has been running in circles since season 2. Anyone who claims this is their fav show and it’s so brilliant gets a side-eye from me.
Yes. 100% agree. I am just completely detached from it now. I loved the Roman / Jerri set up, that was hilarious and all the other relationships and storylines which now seem completely done.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 20:41
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some thoughts:
Re: Shiv’s pregnancy, other shows have done much better keeping characters looking chic while they were pregnant. Remember Olivia Pope? Making Ahov look frumpy was a deliberate choice not to use camera angles, good tailoring, hid her stomacn with PROPs, etc.
Re: actors vs character: there was an NYT podcast where actors were discussing the fact that the guy who plays Kendall is a Daniel Day Lewis disciple method actor. So basically they had a grown a** adult acting like a toddler on meth, all day, everY day.
Finally, if you name 2 of your 3 kids Shiv and Romulus, what do you expect to happen?
It's Siobhan - Shiv is a nickname.
I find that super odd
Which self respecting Scottish-English couple gives their child an Irish name? It’s really not done
Anonymous
03/29/2023 20:29
Subject: Succession - Season 4
The family dynamics are EXACTLY why I watch this show. There are layers and layers of dysfunction. I still think about the lobster episode at the Hampton’s house. Can you imagine being raised by someone who throws a tantrum like that?
Logan never affirms/mirrors his kids. In fact, he mocks them. The one mother they’ve featured on the show seems self-involved and impulsive and not warm in the slightest.
This last episode also reveals how underneath it all the kids can’t trust each other. They want to but they know there’s a good chance they’ll get screwed.
So, yeah, I don’t watch for the “business” side, intrigue (although I can’t wait for Stewy to come back!) “award winning drama” or the opulence. It’s the family stuff that keeps me watching
Logan never affirms/mirrors his kids. In fact, he mocks them. The one mother they’ve featured on the show seems self-involved and impulsive and not warm in the slightest.
This last episode also reveals how underneath it all the kids can’t trust each other. They want to but they know there’s a good chance they’ll get screwed.
So, yeah, I don’t watch for the “business” side, intrigue (although I can’t wait for Stewy to come back!) “award winning drama” or the opulence. It’s the family stuff that keeps me watching
Anonymous
03/29/2023 15:13
Subject: Re:Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was a coincidence that the show cuts from Roman cracking jokes at Nan's house to Logan demanding that his minions lighten the mood and make jokes at his expense.
Logan misses Roman and he misses having people around willing to make fun of him, challenge him, and put him down. He misses having people around who share his sense of entitlement and firm belief that they are better than everyone else for no other reason than because they are Roys and this is their company.
Logan likes the chase. He loves winning but only if it's a fight. He's now surrounded by people who will roll over for him and tell him what he wants to hear, and he also knows that he could fire any of them at any time and they'd be out of his life forever. Not so for his kids (except Connor, who is pointless, and Logan knows this).
His kids are basically the only people in his life who don't treat him reverently and who sometimes act like they are his equals. Kerry is kind of playacting at this now but... she was his assistant. And he could drop her in an heartbeat. She's disposable.
I think Logan is actually thrilled that the kids are going to battle with him because it's a dynamic he enjoys and when the do something worthy of battling with Logan Roy by scuttling this deal, he's doubly thrilled because it creates a challenge for him to conquer AND it appeals to his ego that the only people who could actually give him a run for his money are his own children.
But the problem with this dynamic is that it only works when he's at odds with his kids. Every time he tries to bring one or more of them into the fold and become partners, it doesn't work. He gets paranoid/suspicious that they are trying to push him out (which to some degree they always are), plus when they are playing on the same team, they often start to become suck ups too (Shiv, in particular, is the worst about this, but Kendall does it too, and even Roman gets solicitous when he's in his dad's pocket).
I mean, they are toxic and terrible so what do you expect? Healthy family dynamics?
One reason I like this show is that despite hating everyone (except Geri) and the world it represents, I think there are some brutal truths in there about a lot of family dynamics. I'm not from some wealthy billionaire family but I've seen stuff like this play out in my family on a smaller scale, with the challenge of creating functional relationships between a patriarch who is both proud and resentful of being the one who pulled the family into a higher economic level, and kids who have been conditioned to need his praise and approval but have also come to resent the fact that they need it. Sometimes this show hits really close to home for me.
+1. Lot of interesting commentary out there about how this show unravels the effects of inter generational childhood trauma. Logan was abused (we’ve seen the marks on his back) and couldn’t form anything approaching a healthy relationship with his kids. And the kids also had their moms abandon them and now they are adults who let Logan hit their own kids (Kendall), hit them and then laugh it off (Roman) and be all sorts of emotionally and verbally abusive. In turn, none of them are able to form healthy relationships with their kids or spouses. The kids are awful. But they have only ever lived in an awful, abusive family. So, they play act at being human. It’s an interesting part of the show for me.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 10:39
Subject: Re:Succession - Season 4
I don't think it was a coincidence that the show cuts from Roman cracking jokes at Nan's house to Logan demanding that his minions lighten the mood and make jokes at his expense.
Logan misses Roman and he misses having people around willing to make fun of him, challenge him, and put him down. He misses having people around who share his sense of entitlement and firm belief that they are better than everyone else for no other reason than because they are Roys and this is their company.
Logan likes the chase. He loves winning but only if it's a fight. He's now surrounded by people who will roll over for him and tell him what he wants to hear, and he also knows that he could fire any of them at any time and they'd be out of his life forever. Not so for his kids (except Connor, who is pointless, and Logan knows this).
His kids are basically the only people in his life who don't treat him reverently and who sometimes act like they are his equals. Kerry is kind of playacting at this now but... she was his assistant. And he could drop her in an heartbeat. She's disposable.
I think Logan is actually thrilled that the kids are going to battle with him because it's a dynamic he enjoys and when the do something worthy of battling with Logan Roy by scuttling this deal, he's doubly thrilled because it creates a challenge for him to conquer AND it appeals to his ego that the only people who could actually give him a run for his money are his own children.
But the problem with this dynamic is that it only works when he's at odds with his kids. Every time he tries to bring one or more of them into the fold and become partners, it doesn't work. He gets paranoid/suspicious that they are trying to push him out (which to some degree they always are), plus when they are playing on the same team, they often start to become suck ups too (Shiv, in particular, is the worst about this, but Kendall does it too, and even Roman gets solicitous when he's in his dad's pocket).
I mean, they are toxic and terrible so what do you expect? Healthy family dynamics?
One reason I like this show is that despite hating everyone (except Geri) and the world it represents, I think there are some brutal truths in there about a lot of family dynamics. I'm not from some wealthy billionaire family but I've seen stuff like this play out in my family on a smaller scale, with the challenge of creating functional relationships between a patriarch who is both proud and resentful of being the one who pulled the family into a higher economic level, and kids who have been conditioned to need his praise and approval but have also come to resent the fact that they need it. Sometimes this show hits really close to home for me.
Logan misses Roman and he misses having people around willing to make fun of him, challenge him, and put him down. He misses having people around who share his sense of entitlement and firm belief that they are better than everyone else for no other reason than because they are Roys and this is their company.
Logan likes the chase. He loves winning but only if it's a fight. He's now surrounded by people who will roll over for him and tell him what he wants to hear, and he also knows that he could fire any of them at any time and they'd be out of his life forever. Not so for his kids (except Connor, who is pointless, and Logan knows this).
His kids are basically the only people in his life who don't treat him reverently and who sometimes act like they are his equals. Kerry is kind of playacting at this now but... she was his assistant. And he could drop her in an heartbeat. She's disposable.
I think Logan is actually thrilled that the kids are going to battle with him because it's a dynamic he enjoys and when the do something worthy of battling with Logan Roy by scuttling this deal, he's doubly thrilled because it creates a challenge for him to conquer AND it appeals to his ego that the only people who could actually give him a run for his money are his own children.
But the problem with this dynamic is that it only works when he's at odds with his kids. Every time he tries to bring one or more of them into the fold and become partners, it doesn't work. He gets paranoid/suspicious that they are trying to push him out (which to some degree they always are), plus when they are playing on the same team, they often start to become suck ups too (Shiv, in particular, is the worst about this, but Kendall does it too, and even Roman gets solicitous when he's in his dad's pocket).
I mean, they are toxic and terrible so what do you expect? Healthy family dynamics?
One reason I like this show is that despite hating everyone (except Geri) and the world it represents, I think there are some brutal truths in there about a lot of family dynamics. I'm not from some wealthy billionaire family but I've seen stuff like this play out in my family on a smaller scale, with the challenge of creating functional relationships between a patriarch who is both proud and resentful of being the one who pulled the family into a higher economic level, and kids who have been conditioned to need his praise and approval but have also come to resent the fact that they need it. Sometimes this show hits really close to home for me.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 09:53
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Show has been running in circles since season 2. Anyone who claims this is their fav show and it’s so brilliant gets a side-eye from me.
The writing is clever and the performances are excellent but I agree--posted earlier I'm glad the stale storyline is coming to a close.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 09:47
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The beginning was a little confusing and choppy. But gotta love the Logan one liners and Roman quips.
Ugh, I hate the way Roman is incapable of speaking without constant references to sex. It just gets beyond old. How would you ever have a meaningful conversation with someone like that.
You wouldn’t. That’s him though. Then he spits out businesses acumen that stuns.
I have no background in business - what are examples of this? I always thought Logan was appealing to Roman's very clear desperation for Logan's approval, not that Roman really had anything to offer.
He seemed the smartest in last week’s episode anyway. Even so, the numbers they were throwing around were crazy, right? Even in a bidding war, wouldn’t there be a more detailed discussion, rather than just bumping up by 2 billion dollars?
Anonymous
03/29/2023 09:26
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The beginning was a little confusing and choppy. But gotta love the Logan one liners and Roman quips.
Ugh, I hate the way Roman is incapable of speaking without constant references to sex. It just gets beyond old. How would you ever have a meaningful conversation with someone like that.
You wouldn’t. That’s him though. Then he spits out businesses acumen that stuns.
I have no background in business - what are examples of this? I always thought Logan was appealing to Roman's very clear desperation for Logan's approval, not that Roman really had anything to offer.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 08:18
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Apparently they have promised a conclusive successor. Time to guess who wins. After everything, making Frank or Geeey CEO seems like a letdown. But the kids are such a mess.
GREG!
Anonymous
03/29/2023 08:15
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some thoughts:
Re: Shiv’s pregnancy, other shows have done much better keeping characters looking chic while they were pregnant. Remember Olivia Pope? Making Ahov look frumpy was a deliberate choice not to use camera angles, good tailoring, hid her stomacn with PROPs, etc.
Re: actors vs character: there was an NYT podcast where actors were discussing the fact that the guy who plays Kendall is a Daniel Day Lewis disciple method actor. So basically they had a grown a** adult acting like a toddler on meth, all day, everY day.
Finally, if you name 2 of your 3 kids Shiv and Romulus, what do you expect to happen?
It's Siobhan - Shiv is a nickname.
Yes. Caught that. Thanks. The double entendre is still awesome.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 08:10
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Show has been running in circles since season 2. Anyone who claims this is their fav show and it’s so brilliant gets a side-eye from me.
Anonymous
03/29/2023 04:11
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some thoughts:
Re: Shiv’s pregnancy, other shows have done much better keeping characters looking chic while they were pregnant. Remember Olivia Pope? Making Ahov look frumpy was a deliberate choice not to use camera angles, good tailoring, hid her stomacn with PROPs, etc.
Re: actors vs character: there was an NYT podcast where actors were discussing the fact that the guy who plays Kendall is a Daniel Day Lewis disciple method actor. So basically they had a grown a** adult acting like a toddler on meth, all day, everY day.
Finally, if you name 2 of your 3 kids Shiv and Romulus, what do you expect to happen?
It's Siobhan - Shiv is a nickname.
PP is clueless. Despite being told Shiv is supposed to look less pulled together as part of her character, pp doesn't get it. All women must be pretty at all times!