Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:29     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:White UMC is the deal breaker. Read the news. That’s not what’s in right now.


Yes, very demoralizing to kids have worked hard and been high achievers throughout school to see that the key factor in admissions is demographics.


Right there couldn’t possibly be someone as qualified or more qualified than your kid amongst the thousands and thousands that applied. Some dumb black kid or poor Hispanics most certainly took his spot.

Also we aren’t in the midst of one of the largest classes of college applicants ever that’s peaking over the next couple years and then will decrease. Nope it’s definitely “diversity” and someone less qualified took your perfect candidate kid’s spot. It’s also not that half the schools have kids with straight As and tons of activities and awards.

“Diversity” is the new white cope for I didn’t get what I thought I deserved.





Agreed. I don't get why dcum targets URMs with their ire, when there just aren't that many URM admits at the top schools. I guess they are easy targets for their frustrations.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:25     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:White UMC is the deal breaker. Read the news. That’s not what’s in right now.



Absolutely. White UMC is being discriminated against.


what does UMC mean?


White UMC means I’m going to blame minorities if I don’t get what I want.


URM preference is a small part of it, it is preference for pell eligible, rural students, first Gen, legacies and athletes. Do not forget geographical diversity. Then add in yield management software.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:23     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:Mainly just a venting post so bear with me but this is getting pretty ridiculous with the waitlists after the deferrals.. seems like so many of our kids are getting strung along. I, like many, have a kid hoping to major in CS. CS is his innate gift and he is truly gifted at it but these schools don’t seem to see that. He is accepted somewhere (definitely not top 50) so he is probably heading there but what on Earth is going on with all these deferrals and waitlists??? Who is getting in to these places?? He is a white male, 1580 SAT, UMC, straight A, multiple AP, highest rigor, multiple award winning, dedicated volunteer hours, write ups in magazines, articles in Wired… What else to they want?

I hope this is a troll post. Otherwise it is a great travesty.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:22     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, I sympathize. My family member, an Asian female with a perfect SAT score and very similar achievements to your son, is in the same boat.


You shouldn’t. If you want to be naive and think white people actually care about Asian enrollment just know that once they’ve finished using you to attack other minorities, the next step will be to talk about the overrepresented robots and strivers. There is always a reason why only white UMC kids are deserve of these spots.


Wow, that's one of the better examples of the pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a long time. You're making sweeping generalizations about another race in order to complain about how that race makes sweeping generalizations about yours. Again, wow.


lady, some of us aren't stupid and know how we're being used.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:21     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there are as many kids succeeding under these dynamics (discussed exhaustively on this site) as not..

don’t really post much but my DC got into a T15 as a TO WUMC female - test scores low 1300s, never would’ve applied to this school before TO

the rules of the game have changed and people with high stat kids who are getting rejected feel screwed


This is correct. And I think it’s exceptionally tough for this changeover group of students, who started high school under one set of rules and saw the game change beneath their feet, with no transition period. Today’s freshmen will have better-calibrated expectations, and will have made decisions throughout high school based on the new rules.


In precise terms, how has the game changed? Is it that one only has likely schools on their college lists?
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:20     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:Yes but the essay is where the 1560 SAT 4.0/4.5 kid looks different from the 1570 SAT 4.0/4.5 kid.


Oh please, demographics matter much more.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:20     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there are as many kids succeeding under these dynamics (discussed exhaustively on this site) as not..

don’t really post much but my DC got into a T15 as a TO WUMC female - test scores low 1300s, never would’ve applied to this school before TO

the rules of the game have changed and people with high stat kids who are getting rejected feel screwed


This is correct. And I think it’s exceptionally tough for this changeover group of students, who started high school under one set of rules and saw the game change beneath their feet, with no transition period. Today’s freshmen will have better-calibrated expectations, and will have made decisions throughout high school based on the new rules.


already seeing this with my 10th grader at a public

can only imagine the shift at area privates - those staff are paid to understand the trends and nuances of the admission landscape - and folks shelling out $50k+ year for tuition expect results - I certainly would


School staff can do nothing about it. The big fish from a little private school pond now have to go out and swim in a very very big ocean and not all will remain big fish. The staff can do nothing about the huge numbers of students now interested in attending top colleges.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:14     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:there are as many kids succeeding under these dynamics (discussed exhaustively on this site) as not..

don’t really post much but my DC got into a T15 as a TO WUMC female - test scores low 1300s, never would’ve applied to this school before TO

the rules of the game have changed and people with high stat kids who are getting rejected feel screwed


This is correct. And I think it’s exceptionally tough for this changeover group of students, who started high school under one set of rules and saw the game change beneath their feet, with no transition period. Today’s freshmen will have better-calibrated expectations, and will have made decisions throughout high school based on the new rules.


already seeing this with my 10th grader at a public

can only imagine the shift at area privates - those staff are paid to understand the trends and nuances of the admission landscape - and folks shelling out $50k+ year for tuition expect results - I certainly would
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:13     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The good news is it doesn’t matter what college you go to for CS. In fact, you kid is probably better off at a less intense school.


You don’t need to restrict this to CS. Undergrad doesn’t matter at all.


I will go one further that if your kid is truly accomplished in CS (which I gather means they are already working for $$$s in the field), then you don't need to go to college at all.

To say Undergrad doesn't matter implies that Grad school does? Grad school for many is a complete waste of $$$s.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:04     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:there are as many kids succeeding under these dynamics (discussed exhaustively on this site) as not..

don’t really post much but my DC got into a T15 as a TO WUMC female - test scores low 1300s, never would’ve applied to this school before TO

the rules of the game have changed and people with high stat kids who are getting rejected feel screwed


This is correct. And I think it’s exceptionally tough for this changeover group of students, who started high school under one set of rules and saw the game change beneath their feet, with no transition period. Today’s freshmen will have better-calibrated expectations, and will have made decisions throughout high school based on the new rules.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 10:03     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, I sympathize. My family member, an Asian female with a perfect SAT score and very similar achievements to your son, is in the same boat.


You shouldn’t. If you want to be naive and think white people actually care about Asian enrollment just know that once they’ve finished using you to attack other minorities, the next step will be to talk about the overrepresented robots and strivers. There is always a reason why only white UMC kids are deserve of these spots.


Wow, that's one of the better examples of the pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a long time. You're making sweeping generalizations about another race in order to complain about how that race makes sweeping generalizations about yours. Again, wow.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 09:38     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
there are as many kids succeeding under these dynamics (discussed exhaustively on this site) as not..

don’t really post much but my DC got into a T15 as a TO WUMC female - test scores low 1300s, never would’ve applied to this school before TO

the rules of the game have changed and people with high stat kids who are getting rejected feel screwed
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 09:30     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the kids who are high achievers like your kid often end up at the same college as the ones who didn't put in as much effort. So what's the moral here? Kick up your heels and still end up at State U?


The high achievers are the ones who actually survive the CS major (or premed etc).


Exactly. These “non selective” state schools are filled with top students. The OPs son will crush it, while the average admits will keep changing (lowering) their majors.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 09:28     Subject: This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Curious how these kids differentiate themselves in their essays. If it were me, I would choose the common app question of a hardship I overcame, to balance the nearly perfect stats.


Don't do this! If you are an average middle class kid, your hardships would be laughable and you'll get docked for not knowing what a real hardship is. If you've actually been through some hell, and you give a tiniest bit of impression that you may still be wounded, you'll be docked for being a potential mental health disaster. You basically have to have Malala's level story - something horrific happened, but no one doubts that you are marching onwards.


+1. Please do not overstate some hardship you overcame. I am glad to hear from the PP above that this would not go over well with admissions committees.

My DS (high school class of 2021) was advised by his college counselor to answer the COVID question on the Common App, about how COVID has created a hardship. (In fact, the college counselor advised all seniors to write that essay, as suggested by admissions deans.) At the time, my DS refused to write that essay. I respected him for doing that. He genuinely felt that he had no hardship as a result of COVID (compared to people with elderly relatives at home, or people with dangerous jobs where they were exposed to COVID, etc)
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2023 09:23     Subject: Re:This is getting ridiculous
Anonymous wrote:The good news is it doesn’t matter what college you go to for CS. In fact, you kid is probably better off at a less intense school.


You don’t need to restrict this to CS. Undergrad doesn’t matter at all.