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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

I think she's saying there are 35 public universities in VA.

But, there are not.

George Mason
Mary Washington
James Madison
UVA
VMI
Radford
Virginia Tech
Longwood
Virginia State
Old Dominion
Christopher Newport
Norfolk State
UVA Wise
Virginia Commonwealth


14...right? Which 21 am I forgetting?

W&M

Here’s the list of the 40. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

I think she's saying there are 35 public universities in VA.

But, there are not.

George Mason
Mary Washington
James Madison
UVA
VMI
Radford
Virginia Tech
Longwood
Virginia State
Old Dominion
Christopher Newport
Norfolk State
UVA Wise
Virginia Commonwealth


14...right? Which 21 am I forgetting?

W&M

Richard Bland College, a 2-year residential college affiliated with W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

I think she's saying there are 35 public universities in VA.

But, there are not.

George Mason
Mary Washington
James Madison
UVA
VMI
Radford
Virginia Tech
Longwood
Virginia State
Old Dominion
Christopher Newport
Norfolk State
UVA Wise
Virginia Commonwealth


14...right? Which 21 am I forgetting?

W&M

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

I think she's saying there are 35 public universities in VA.

But, there are not.

George Mason
Mary Washington
James Madison
UVA
VMI
Radford
Virginia Tech
Longwood
Virginia State
Old Dominion
Christopher Newport
Norfolk State
UVA Wise
Virginia Commonwealth


14...right? Which 21 am I forgetting?

W&M

Anonymous wrote:Virginia ranks fourth nationally for K-12 education. You guys seem to forget that ALL of Virginia has VERY strong schools, from Bristol up to Roanoke over to Virginia Beach up to Winchester. Admission into Virginia's colleges and universities isn't just about you in NOVA. Your kids are competing against the students of ROVA (Rest of Virginia) who are very strong, as well. You dismiss them as invisible. But come application time, they are there and they are getting into all the schools. I can see how it's a wake-up call.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's getting pretty ridiculous in Virginia. UVA and W&M are very difficult to get into. VT and JMU are trending upwards of being very difficult for a lot of kids to get into as well (thanks Covid, Common App, and OOS applicants). Where do kids who have a 3.5-3.8 GPA go? GMU, CNU, VCU, UMW, Longwood? You don't hear about a lot of kids going to Radford or ODU. Virginia had such great colleges, but it's becoming very difficult for a B-B+ kid to get into one of them.

What, exactly, is wrong with going to community college?

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

I think she's saying there are 35 public universities in VA.

But, there are not.

George Mason
Mary Washington
James Madison
UVA
VMI
Radford
Virginia Tech
Longwood
Virginia State
Old Dominion
Christopher Newport
Norfolk State
UVA Wise
Virginia Commonwealth


14...right? Which 21 am I forgetting?

W&M

Anonymous wrote:The consequence will be that schools like VCU, CNU and JMU will continue to “gentrify” and become more desirable as students get shut out of VT, W&M and UVa.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia ranks fourth nationally for K-12 education. You guys seem to forget that ALL of Virginia has VERY strong schools, from Bristol up to Roanoke over to Virginia Beach up to Winchester. Admission into Virginia's colleges and universities isn't just about you in NOVA. Your kids are competing against the students of ROVA (Rest of Virginia) who are very strong, as well. You dismiss them as invisible. But come application time, they are there and they are getting into all the schools. I can see how it's a wake-up call.

+100
The entitlement never fails to astound me.

Can you find a new word, please? Second time in this page alone. Comments like this add nothing to the dialogue. Nothing

And yet, it’s absolutely true. It is the height of *entitlement* to presume that your kid is so special that s/he deserves admission to any VA school (or any school anywhere). They don’t. As the PP said, there are highly qualified kids all over VA and your kid is competing with them.

Anonymous wrote:It's the COMMONWEALTH of Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

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OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

It’s obvious what she meant, move along.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia ranks fourth nationally for K-12 education. You guys seem to forget that ALL of Virginia has VERY strong schools, from Bristol up to Roanoke over to Virginia Beach up to Winchester. Admission into Virginia's colleges and universities isn't just about you in NOVA. Your kids are competing against the students of ROVA (Rest of Virginia) who are very strong, as well. You dismiss them as invisible. But come application time, they are there and they are getting into all the schools. I can see how it's a wake-up call.

+100
The entitlement never fails to astound me.

Can you find a new word, please? Second time in this page alone. Comments like this add nothing to the dialogue. Nothing

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Anonymous wrote:However bad you think the options are in Virginia, agree that there are many more tiers and affordable options relative to other states.

[b]UF and UGA are as good as or better than comparable Virginia options, larger, and virtually free in state

But most reading this are OOS so your point is irrelevant. UF is $46,000 OOS and UGA is $48,000 OOS. GMU (where DC went) is $13,404 tuition and $27K all in when housing is added. Add is the benefit of driving instead of flying and you can see why in-state Virginia is so popoular.

OK, but why are we celebrating Virginia for having in state options that cost 40k a year when other states manage to offer comparable schools for far cheaper

What other states? BTW USC (private) just announced it's going to $90K this fall. [b]UVA with its 35+ campuses is a great deal.

[/b][/b]



OP, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Next to California with its 9 UCs and 23 Cal States and huge community college system, Virginia is the next best thing in the United States. But the problem with the UC system is the extreme expense for OOS (most everyone reading here) and the fact that UC has tightened the reigns for admission of OOS (an a no-go for the Cal STates - they are reserved almost exclusively for Californians) and International to 10% (UVA is 26% OSS International) which makes it virtually inaccessible to anyone in the DCUM area. Even if you get in OOS, Berkeley is $73K a year.

Florida, as pointed out is more expensive for OOS.

Texas, like California, is mostly limited to in-state students The voters in that state, like California, have objected to having state schools educate so many OOS.

Maryland has, well only 12 institutions of varying quality. https://www.usmd.edu/. UMCP is a great deal but you have to get in and $56K OOS.

UVA has 35 institutions of higher learning and a generous community college transfer system that allows anyone to attend a 2-year college, live at home and transfer to their choice of Virginia 4 year institution if they meet the GPA and course requrements. Only California offers a similar system. All of the Virginia 4 year schools are cheaper than any other OOS public or private.

FWIW, GMU's board entertained a motion to increase tuition this past year. Friends on the Board voted it down. Expenses have to be covered, especially as a large number of OOS and International students are included in Virginia's school. Many Virginians would like to see UVA and others cap OOS at 10% or less like California and Texas.

DP. While I agree with your post, calling VA universities "UVA" is confusing. UVA doesn't have "35 different campuses." You mean, Virginia, the state (or commonwealth ).

What are these "35 campuses" pp is talking about? Community colleges?

I think she's saying there are 35 public universities in VA.

But, there are not.

George Mason
Mary Washington
James Madison
UVA
VMI
Radford
Virginia Tech
Longwood
Virginia State
Old Dominion
Christopher Newport
Norfolk State
UVA Wise
Virginia Commonwealth


14...right? Which 21 am I forgetting?

Anonymous wrote:So, it's getting pretty ridiculous in Virginia. UVA and W&M are very difficult to get into. VT and JMU are trending upwards of being very difficult for a lot of kids to get into as well (thanks Covid, Common App, and OOS applicants). Where do kids who have a 3.5-3.8 GPA go? GMU, CNU, VCU, UMW, Longwood? You don't hear about a lot of kids going to Radford or ODU. Virginia had such great colleges, but it's becoming very difficult for a B-B+ kid to get into one of them.