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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

I’m not sure what “resources” you’re wanting that aren’t available. Do you mean curriculum? Because the curriculum for the next grade level(s) could be used for acceleration. And small group instruction addresses both remediation and enrichment/acceleration.

Anonymous wrote:I love Abbott Elementary and am wary of public schools run by multi-state private operators, and I have been wondering if the charter takeover thing is specific to Philadelphia or other districts where local or state laws cover that kind of thing.

I'm aware of DCPS taking over 2-3 failing DC public charter schools, but the idea of the reverse -- a school district wanting a charter operator to take over one of their schools -- was new to me. Public charter schools have taken over former DCPS buildings, but only after DCPS had decided to close them, is that correct?

Does anyone have experience with the Philadelphia school system or another place where hostile takeovers by charter operators happen?

I still love the show, but I fear people who are anti-charter will use the storyline to stir up a fear of something that isn't a universal threat. I do wish people will be informed and be vocal to prevent the spread of the legality of that kind of public school district/public charter school operator takeover activity. And support of public charter schools only for filling in gaps and to offer special programming isn't that.

DC Charters have taken over DCPS schools but they just don’t spin it that way. Look into KIPP DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

Well, the test scores are indicative that a large percentage of resources will be focused on the kids that need remediation, potentially in large part due to their home circumstances. Wanting your non-remedial child to be challenged means you want a different setting for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

How familiar are you with what actually happens in DCPS vs. charters? Because the truth is there really isn’t much of a difference unless you choose something so different from the standard (like Montessori, but that also exists in DCPS). The reason why some schools in DCPS are seen as “bad” has nothing to do with the quality of education, but rather the demographics of the school. It’s kind of hard to have high test scores when so many students enter elementary school not having been raised in the best environment and when they experience food insecurity, gun violence, etc.

there is this mantra that “choice” is great but eotp in dc can sometimes feel like all the choices are mediocre and its not clear all the various charters are adding much

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

Should have phrased it this way: I think they ( DCPS students ) often get an absolutely shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart that anti-charter people would have them stuck in it for some political purity test, false narrative bs.

Charters have in no way “ruined” public education in DC. They have strengthened it in the last 20 years. People need to acknowledge the nuance when they talk about charter schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

This was you: "I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart" spare me your pity

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Nobody. Said. That. Lacking financial or social capital does not equal “less than” but it does generally equal “fewer choices”. All respect for the work you do and for your students and their families. Enough respect to allow them the choice ( even if they don’t have the money for private or the ability to move ) to seek a public education elsewhere when and if they perceive their child is not being served by the SYSTEM.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

No one with options who cared about education would even consider sending their kids to Ballou, but you think options should be removed?

TIL Ballou is the example people go to as the broad brush for every non W3 school. I'm gonna enjoy my night while you wet your dog whistle.

Does you kid go there? What’s it like?

the politics around charter schools are very complicated. they are widely adopted but not entirely successful past 3 decades experiment. i think its good to talk about the nuance. charter school performance is extremely uneven. its easy to point to a relatively hyped and more successful charter school and then claim they are an across-the-board success but that is only a limited picture and their are good arguments that the heavy shift to charter schools is even here in dc holding neighborhood public schools back.

As someone who taught in a charter and teaches in a DCPS school, I love that Abbott is running this storyline. The charter I was at often kicked kids out after the count day. I think there’s more transparency now, and they’d be less able to do this openly, but they certainly did it..a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools bleed money from the public schools. And, charter schools don't have the same requirements as public schools or any oversite. It's a crap shoot, could be amazing or a total disaster! More often than not, a disaster

New poster. Charters don’t actually take any money from public schools directly. All schools are funded per pupil. If a public school’s enrollment is suffering, I think they should do a better job of figuring out why people don’t want to send their kid there versus blaming the school they opted to send their kids to. I do agree that charters need more oversight and that many of them are absolutely terrible and not actually a better option than the public alternative. That being said, I think it’s clear that parents want something that isn’t necessarily offered in the traditional public school setting. It would be better for districts to offer those options rather than fighting against them.

For the parents that want something different, they should pay to send their children to private school, not use my tax dollars to support charters

Disgusting. You do understand that means damning people with the least financial or social capital to just put u and shut up with often abusive levels of school dysfunction, don’t you? Have you actually stepped foot in a non-ward 3 DCPS school?

DP but I do, every day. I'll be sure to show my kids families what you think of them

What I think of your kids and families? I think they get an absolute shitty educational situation and it breaks my heart. I’ve seen the DCPS system close up and if you work for DCPS you KNOW the dysfunction and dereliction. Why would you defend that system and deflect to the kids? As if…as if charters just went away tomorrow everything with DCPS would be fine. Hah! What a dream. Stop worrying about political slogans and school sectors and worry about how these kids are getting educated.

As a teacher in one of these schools, I do worry about them being educated. It's my job. I don't need your crocodile tears telling me that me or my students are lesser than you

Anonymous wrote:I like the show but we need to understand that it’s pure fiction. Look at how well behaved the kids are - it’s unrealistic for pretty much any school tbh
And a stab at the charter is part of it
Charters spring up everywhere public schools are failing because it’s the only way to let the kids who are ready to learn to actually learn and not just constantly suffer from behavior problems of other students

And how fair is it to send those kids with challenges to real public schools after the fiscal year has started so those greedy charters keep the money?
Privatizing public education is a disgusting business and they are constantly asking for more money. They need to start asking parents and their big donors.

Some things about charters, like some of the autonomy they have is a good thing, schools should have more freedom to decide programming. Overall charters are just the dollar tree version of private schools.

Anonymous wrote:I like the show but we need to understand that it’s pure fiction. Look at how well behaved the kids are - it’s unrealistic for pretty much any school tbh
And a stab at the charter is part of it
Charters spring up everywhere public schools are failing because it’s the only way to let the kids who are ready to learn to actually learn and not just constantly suffer from behavior problems of other students

This. The worst issues they’ve dealt with have been a kid who shows up late frequently, a kid who is obsessed with Bluey and brings it up in class too often, and I think one kid who had a pee accident? If these were your toughest moments with students, as a teacher, you won the lottery. At pretty much any public, but especially at a Title 1 school that likely has kids dealing with stuff likely to cause behavioral issues, like housing insecurity.

Talking about those issues would actually make the anti-charter argument stronger (charters are not set up to help kids who don’t have involved parents at home or who are dealing with serious challenges requiring social workers and other interventions). But it would make they show heavier and less fun, which is why they don’t touch it. There are lots of realistic things about the show but they focus on the realities of being a teacher in an urban public school. They aren’t portraying the family population very accurately, because they are focusing on the middle class families. A school like this would have a significant population of kids living in poverty and that would have a much bigger impact on the school than they show.

I like the show but we need to understand that it’s pure fiction. Look at how well behaved the kids are - it’s unrealistic for pretty much any school tbh
And a stab at the charter is part of it
Charters spring up everywhere public schools are failing because it’s the only way to let the kids who are ready to learn to actually learn and not just constantly suffer from behavior problems of other students