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Anonymous wrote:And who are these men, exactly? If you took everyone I know from elementary school to a graduate degree and/or have worked with, maybe 4 or 5% hit it big. Meaning million dollar salaries or WSJ stories, etc. The rest have had mediocre to good careers.

So let me guess, that 4 or 5% magically married DCUM posters who are in shape and run around in yoga pants?

Are you asking about men who make over half a million with SAHM? Hedge fund managers, real estate developers, tech sales, partners at law firms, built and sold own businesses etc. but these men are fine with SAHM wives their marriages last until men cheat , on average

The worst are these 200k guys with wives who also make 200k. This is when the woman is exhausted to the brink of insanity as they tend to be cheap and controlling with resources on home aide and the wives are that cheaper “second shift”

I’m a $230K woman and although a second income would be nice I wouldn’t marry anyone who made less than me. I have made a ton of career mistakes so I figure any competent guy should be out earning me by now.

Lol good luck with that. And then you’ll complain that you can’t find someone.

You actually sound like a Redpill troll.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is not rich. He makes 200k a year.

He cooks, cleans, reads to the children every night and prays with them every night, takes children to sports practice every day, organizes their schedules and doctors' appointments, helps them with their laundry, buys them birthday gifts etc.

We have great sex too.

Marriage is a great deal for me.

And I would love to have a husband like that but that’s very rare. Most of these 200k guys are self-absorbed, just as controlling and dominant as wealthy men, think they are entitled to focus on their hobbies after regular work hours while their wife/partner is running around with kids&maintaining the household. Marriage is 2 shifts for most women !

None of my friends are married to the self absorbed type of guy you describe. Maybe you should strive to meet better people

Most marriages in my cicle fall apart when both spouses hit 40s. I only know one happy marriage where both spouses worked, maintained a lot of house staff including driviers. They recently retired abroad getting a property there. Everyone else appear miserable and wives raise their voice at husbands publicily, complaining at the same things.

I am divorced, and after attending a party at my former neighborhood with my new BF the wives are now all interested in hanging out with me. And their 50+ husbands look fat and ugly.

Most marriages in my circle are very strong. They are more traditional styles of marriage.They appear very happy and are planning their lives after the kids are gone and very much looking forward to the next phase. We are members of local running community and everyone is pretty fit. Life is full of decisions, make better ones

Not sure what community you are in, I lived in two most expensive zip codes in NW DC, it's the same picture at both. Maybe you are from some mormon county with many SAHM famlies but DC families are the way I described

Like I said make better decisions. Expensive zip codes do not equal happiness. You are chasing the wrong goals if happiness is what you are striving for

I don’t know, these are zips where all professional people live in DC. That same couple that bring 600k at a minimum together by mid 40s. Anyone competent with a grad degree would, in this area!

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Anonymous wrote:It's the motherhood that's a raw deal.

+1. This is the reality. Society and biology make us blame the man vs. the children.

Children tend to s..t a lot, scream, get sick and run a lot. That is normal to expect when you plan for kids. Women also expect men to engage mitigating all these things when kids are born equally.

If men were running after kdis, picking up the vomit, took them to doctors and after school activities just like moms do, working wives wouldn't be exhausted and marriages would be happier. It's the men, not the children!

If you didn't have kids, there would be no vomit to clean up, therefore, nothing to fight over. If your husband has never taken care of a sick kid that is on you friend. The women I know who complain the most are control freaks and won't let their husbands do anything. Just leave and go do something. Your husband will have to deal.

And I left! Now my child is video game dependent and dropped all after school activities, after not being engaged in anything at dad’s place. Not my problem anymore, I guess

I would change that to: Marriage is a horrible deal for women unless the man actually does his fair share with the house and kids.

My husband does well, as do I (HHI $210, we each bring in half that), but what really matters is that we are true equal partners at home and with the kids.

I agree that if your husband doesn't do that, that's crappy, and it's sooo common, which is unfortunate. But I think husbands pulling their weight at home is a lot more achievable and predictable than just finding someone who makes a ton, and it's better anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the motherhood that's a raw deal.

+1. This is the reality. Society and biology make us blame the man vs. the children.

Children tend to s..t a lot, scream, get sick and run a lot. That is normal to expect when you plan for kids. Women also expect men to engage mitigating all these things when kids are born equally.

If men were running after kdis, picking up the vomit, took them to doctors and after school activities just like moms do, working wives wouldn't be exhausted and marriages would be happier. It's the men, not the children!

If you didn't have kids, there would be no vomit to clean up, therefore, nothing to fight over. If your husband has never taken care of a sick kid that is on you friend. The women I know who complain the most are control freaks and won't let their husbands do anything. Just leave and go do something. Your husband will have to deal.

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Anonymous wrote:And who are these men, exactly? If you took everyone I know from elementary school to a graduate degree and/or have worked with, maybe 4 or 5% hit it big. Meaning million dollar salaries or WSJ stories, etc. The rest have had mediocre to good careers.

So let me guess, that 4 or 5% magically married DCUM posters who are in shape and run around in yoga pants?

Are you asking about men who make over half a million with SAHM? Hedge fund managers, real estate developers, tech sales, partners at law firms, built and sold own businesses etc. but these men are fine with SAHM wives their marriages last until men cheat , on average

The worst are these 200k guys with wives who also make 200k. This is when the woman is exhausted to the brink of insanity as they tend to be cheap and controlling with resources on home aide and the wives are that cheaper “second shift”

I’m a $230K woman and although a second income would be nice I wouldn’t marry anyone who made less than me. I have made a ton of career mistakes so I figure any competent guy should be out earning me by now.

Anonymous wrote:And who are these men, exactly? If you took everyone I know from elementary school to a graduate degree and/or have worked with, maybe 4 or 5% hit it big. Meaning million dollar salaries or WSJ stories, etc. The rest have had mediocre to good careers.

So let me guess, that 4 or 5% magically married DCUM posters who are in shape and run around in yoga pants?

I guess your definition of hitting it big is different from mine. Most of my friends are bringing in $600-$1M as a couple at this point, with two earners.

Anonymous wrote:And who are these men, exactly? If you took everyone I know from elementary school to a graduate degree and/or have worked with, maybe 4 or 5% hit it big. Meaning million dollar salaries or WSJ stories, etc. The rest have had mediocre to good careers.

So let me guess, that 4 or 5% magically married DCUM posters who are in shape and run around in yoga pants?

Are you asking about men who make over half a million with SAHM? Hedge fund managers, real estate developers, tech sales, partners at law firms, built and sold own businesses etc. but these men are fine with SAHM wives their marriages last until men cheat , on average

The worst are these 200k guys with wives who also make 200k. This is when the woman is exhausted to the brink of insanity as they tend to be cheap and controlling with resources on home aide and the wives are that cheaper “second shift”

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Anonymous wrote:It's the motherhood that's a raw deal.

+1. This is the reality. Society and biology make us blame the man vs. the children.

Children tend to s..t a lot, scream, get sick and run a lot. That is normal to expect when you plan for kids. Women also expect men to engage mitigating all these things when kids are born equally.

If men were running after kdis, picking up the vomit, took them to doctors and after school activities just like moms do, working wives wouldn't be exhausted and marriages would be happier. It's the men, not the children!

Pffft nah I did (and still do) all that kid stuff and DW still moans and complains. Perpetual dissatisfaction is the nature of the female. After all, originally we lived in a literal paradise created by God Himself…. and still the woman wasn’t satisfied.

And who are these men, exactly? If you took everyone I know from elementary school to a graduate degree and/or have worked with, maybe 4 or 5% hit it big. Meaning million dollar salaries or WSJ stories, etc. The rest have had mediocre to good careers.

So let me guess, that 4 or 5% magically married DCUM posters who are in shape and run around in yoga pants?

Anonymous wrote:I look at my friends husbands and all of them are overweight and unattractive now. But, they are rich and reasonably happy. Most of the men were reasonably attractive when they got married but had no money. But all were on a path to make money (either him or her or both).

Yes, exactly: I was shocked recently when I saw how HUSBANDS in particular changed after COVID, when I went to my old neighborhood event. You can see all this extra food, beer, sedimentary lazy lifestyle on their bodies and faces. The 50+wives were all fit, youthful looking and full of energy. My 43 yo boyfriend was a hit!

I look at my friends husbands and all of them are overweight and unattractive now. But, they are rich and reasonably happy. Most of the men were reasonably attractive when they got married but had no money. But all were on a path to make money (either him or her or both).

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Anonymous wrote:It's the motherhood that's a raw deal.

+1. This is the reality. Society and biology make us blame the man vs. the children.

Children tend to s..t a lot, scream, get sick and run a lot. That is normal to expect when you plan for kids. Women also expect men to engage mitigating all these things when kids are born equally.

If men were running after kdis, picking up the vomit, took them to doctors and after school activities just like moms do, working wives wouldn't be exhausted and marriages would be happier. It's the men, not the children!

Maybe two demanding jobs and multiple kids were not the best decisions. Do better with your future decisions

I have one child.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is not rich. He makes 200k a year.

He cooks, cleans, reads to the children every night and prays with them every night, takes children to sports practice every day, organizes their schedules and doctors' appointments, helps them with their laundry, buys them birthday gifts etc.

We have great sex too.

Marriage is a great deal for me.

And I would love to have a husband like that but that’s very rare. Most of these 200k guys are self-absorbed, just as controlling and dominant as wealthy men, think they are entitled to focus on their hobbies after regular work hours while their wife/partner is running around with kids&maintaining the household. Marriage is 2 shifts for most women !

None of my friends are married to the self absorbed type of guy you describe. Maybe you should strive to meet better people

Most marriages in my cicle fall apart when both spouses hit 40s. I only know one happy marriage where both spouses worked, maintained a lot of house staff including driviers. They recently retired abroad getting a property there. Everyone else appear miserable and wives raise their voice at husbands publicily, complaining at the same things.

I am divorced, and after attending a party at my former neighborhood with my new BF the wives are now all interested in hanging out with me. And their 50+ husbands look fat and ugly.

Most marriages in my circle are very strong. They are more traditional styles of marriage.They appear very happy and are planning their lives after the kids are gone and very much looking forward to the next phase. We are members of local running community and everyone is pretty fit. Life is full of decisions, make better ones

Not sure what community you are in, I lived in two most expensive zip codes in NW DC, it's the same picture at both. Maybe you are from some mormon county with many SAHM famlies but DC families are the way I described

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Anonymous wrote:It's the motherhood that's a raw deal.

+1. This is the reality. Society and biology make us blame the man vs. the children.

Children tend to s..t a lot, scream, get sick and run a lot. That is normal to expect when you plan for kids. Women also expect men to engage mitigating all these things when kids are born equally.

If men were running after kdis, picking up the vomit, took them to doctors and after school activities just like moms do, working wives wouldn't be exhausted and marriages would be happier. It's the men, not the children!

Maybe two demanding jobs and multiple kids were not the best decisions. Do better with your future decisions