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Anonymous wrote:A lot of incels hate single mothers because they can’t stand that men are becoming less wanted and needed.

Some people here have this weirdly skewed view of a single mother as a corporate boss babe who couldn't find a man to measure up so decided to go it alone and have a baby by herself at 39.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of incels hate single mothers because they can’t stand that men are becoming less wanted and needed.

Some people here have this weirdly skewed view of a single mother as a corporate boss babe who couldn't find a man to measure up so decided to go it alone and have a baby by herself at 39.

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Anonymous wrote:Well clearly abortion is off the table for those folks. They probably believe the children should be taken and adopted out to married heterosexual couples.

I absolutely think this is what they desire.

Except for the black and brown ones. What happens to them?

Anonymous wrote:A lot of incels hate single mothers because they can’t stand that men are becoming less wanted and needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Well clearly abortion is off the table for those folks. They probably believe the children should be taken and adopted out to married heterosexual couples.

I absolutely think this is what they desire.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the percentage of families with a single mother?

That percentage is not sustainable. Father figures are important.

You see the effects on society today.

Don't reward single patenting. Staying together is sometimes difficult, but single parenting of close to 50% is not acceptable either. An abusive relationship is a different subject altogether.

But the outcomes are not as good as two parent families in the aggregate.

So I wouldn't cut out subsidies, but I would cut them back and make it less attractive.

How many absent father households are the choice of the mother raising the child(ren)? He is absent because of the father- whether that be choice, jail, disinterest, another family, etc. You are punishing women and children for the choices of the male. Super on brand for our culture but nonetheless deplorable. And two parents don't have to be married or live together to raise a child. Data must separate between single parent households with an involved and financially supportive co-parent (regardless of sex) and those that are single parent household by choice and those that are single parent households without an involved and supportive co-parent. These are three different types of issues and more than likely have different outcomes.

Why are women choosing to get pregnant with such irresponsible men? Perhaps our values are all wrong. Why not question our priorities?

Why exactly aren’t these valid questions?
Why ignore the source of the problem? sp

Because what, exactly, are you going to do about that on a societal level? Shoulda, coulda, woulda isn’t a solution.

Recognize that we currently subsidize those choices, and push for other incentives.

Tell us what “choices” we “subsidize.”

Keep in mind that all social welfare benefits in the U.S. pale in comparison to those available in Scandinavian countries.

Sounds like you're aware of them already. Would women choose differently if those options were not available?

Of course.

Provide other incentives. That can be everything from tax policy, social shaming, or even crazier options like raising by the state.

Choices have consequences, unless you believe that women lack agency which is the most misogynistic thing I can think of.

You are absolutely sick in the head.

What are the best interests of the child? If single motherhood is a serious problem like the OP alleges, then a broad array of options should be discussed.

Shame is a powerful motivator. CPS should also be a powerful motivator for people to take care of their children.

Shame of what, exactly? Why do you hate mothers raising their children so much?

Shame and shunning are generally speaking how social norms are enforced unless you have some sort of morality police running around.

Shame in this case stigmatizes certain choices, and incentivizes either not choosing to produce a child, or not commiting to a long term relationship that provides more opportunities to reduce the burdens of raising a child, financially and time wise.

I have expressed no hate for single mothers, but we as a society owe it to their children to provide the best upbringing we can. You appear to be focused on the mother rather than the child.

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Anonymous wrote:Incentivize fatherhood.

Try to reform the winner-take-all dating economy (good luck).

Make fatherhood cool again (too many oafish goofballs on TV).

Reverse the decline of communities (very hard to do). Bring back God, churches and communities to try to hold crummy men more accountable.

Embrace stigma (not popular).

Embrace harems and alternative family structures.

Incentivize fatherhood?! Holy crap male privilege is mind blowing. Do we incentivize motherhood? No, women are default sole providers.

Women are also the default choosers on the parenthood question in the first place.

Not really anymore.

How so? Because of the abortion rulings?

I will grant in cases of rape, but women still decide who they want to have sex with and control whether they use birth control or require it of their partner, no?

Yes. Do you live under a rock?

You didn't address the rest of the post. Women have other birth control options apart from abortion, both before and after sex.

Stop treating women like infants that can't make or own up to grown up choices.

Correct, women are adults who are capable of deciding whether or not they need an abortion. They are capable of making grown up choices. Glad we’re on the same page.

Women are the default choosers on the parenthood question. They are more than capable of choosing whether to abstain, or to use a condom, or have sex with that bum or use a Plan B or...have an abortion.

Yes, glad we're on the same page!

Access to all of that is restricted now in the US. What part of that do you not understand?

Women are not allowed to abstain, make partners use condoms or be more judicious about sexual partners now? Who knew?!?

Haven't heard of stealthing? BC failures? My 15 year old BC failure says hello, thanks to a broken condom.

PSA: buy quality condoms. Don't keep them in your pocket for 20 years as they expire. Don't date, much less have sex, with liars.

There, 99% of the problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:Incentivize fatherhood.

Try to reform the winner-take-all dating economy (good luck).

Make fatherhood cool again (too many oafish goofballs on TV).

Reverse the decline of communities (very hard to do). Bring back God, churches and communities to try to hold crummy men more accountable.

Embrace stigma (not popular).

Embrace harems and alternative family structures.

Incentivize fatherhood?! Holy crap male privilege is mind blowing. Do we incentivize motherhood? No, women are default sole providers.

Women are also the default choosers on the parenthood question in the first place.

Not really anymore.

How so? Because of the abortion rulings?

I will grant in cases of rape, but women still decide who they want to have sex with and control whether they use birth control or require it of their partner, no?

Yes. Do you live under a rock?

You didn't address the rest of the post. Women have other birth control options apart from abortion, both before and after sex.

Stop treating women like infants that can't make or own up to grown up choices.

Correct, women are adults who are capable of deciding whether or not they need an abortion. They are capable of making grown up choices. Glad we’re on the same page.

Women are the default choosers on the parenthood question. They are more than capable of choosing whether to abstain, or to use a condom, or have sex with that bum or use a Plan B or...have an abortion.

Yes, glad we're on the same page!

Access to all of that is restricted now in the US. What part of that do you not understand?

Women are not allowed to abstain, make partners use condoms or be more judicious about sexual partners now? Who knew?!?

Haven't heard of stealthing? BC failures? My 15 year old BC failure says hello, thanks to a broken condom.

PSA: buy quality condoms. Don't keep them in your pocket for 20 years as they expire. Don't date, much less have sex, with liars.

There, 99% of the problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:Incentivize fatherhood.

Try to reform the winner-take-all dating economy (good luck).

Make fatherhood cool again (too many oafish goofballs on TV).

Reverse the decline of communities (very hard to do). Bring back God, churches and communities to try to hold crummy men more accountable.

Embrace stigma (not popular).

Embrace harems and alternative family structures.

Incentivize fatherhood?! Holy crap male privilege is mind blowing. Do we incentivize motherhood? No, women are default sole providers.

Women are also the default choosers on the parenthood question in the first place.

Not really anymore.

How so? Because of the abortion rulings?

I will grant in cases of rape, but women still decide who they want to have sex with and control whether they use birth control or require it of their partner, no?

Yes. Do you live under a rock?

You didn't address the rest of the post. Women have other birth control options apart from abortion, both before and after sex.

Stop treating women like infants that can't make or own up to grown up choices.

Correct, women are adults who are capable of deciding whether or not they need an abortion. They are capable of making grown up choices. Glad we’re on the same page.

Women are the default choosers on the parenthood question. They are more than capable of choosing whether to abstain, or to use a condom, or have sex with that bum or use a Plan B or...have an abortion.

Yes, glad we're on the same page!

Access to all of that is restricted now in the US. What part of that do you not understand?

Women are not allowed to abstain, make partners use condoms or be more judicious about sexual partners now? Who knew?!?

Haven't heard of stealthing? BC failures? My 15 year old BC failure says hello, thanks to a broken condom.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the percentage of families with a single mother?

That percentage is not sustainable. Father figures are important.

You see the effects on society today.

Don't reward single patenting. Staying together is sometimes difficult, but single parenting of close to 50% is not acceptable either. An abusive relationship is a different subject altogether.

But the outcomes are not as good as two parent families in the aggregate.

So I wouldn't cut out subsidies, but I would cut them back and make it less attractive.

How many absent father households are the choice of the mother raising the child(ren)? He is absent because of the father- whether that be choice, jail, disinterest, another family, etc. You are punishing women and children for the choices of the male. Super on brand for our culture but nonetheless deplorable. And two parents don't have to be married or live together to raise a child. Data must separate between single parent households with an involved and financially supportive co-parent (regardless of sex) and those that are single parent household by choice and those that are single parent households without an involved and supportive co-parent. These are three different types of issues and more than likely have different outcomes.

Why are women choosing to get pregnant with such irresponsible men? Perhaps our values are all wrong. Why not question our priorities?

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Anonymous wrote:What is the percentage of families with a single mother?

That percentage is not sustainable. Father figures are important.

You see the effects on society today.

Don't reward single patenting. Staying together is sometimes difficult, but single parenting of close to 50% is not acceptable either. An abusive relationship is a different subject altogether.

But the outcomes are not as good as two parent families in the aggregate.

So I wouldn't cut out subsidies, but I would cut them back and make it less attractive.

How many absent father households are the choice of the mother raising the child(ren)? He is absent because of the father- whether that be choice, jail, disinterest, another family, etc. You are punishing women and children for the choices of the male. Super on brand for our culture but nonetheless deplorable. And two parents don't have to be married or live together to raise a child. Data must separate between single parent households with an involved and financially supportive co-parent (regardless of sex) and those that are single parent household by choice and those that are single parent households without an involved and supportive co-parent. These are three different types of issues and more than likely have different outcomes.

Why are women choosing to get pregnant with such irresponsible men? Perhaps our values are all wrong. Why not question our priorities?

Why exactly aren’t these valid questions?
Why ignore the source of the problem? sp

Because what, exactly, are you going to do about that on a societal level? Shoulda, coulda, woulda isn’t a solution.

Recognize that we currently subsidize those choices, and push for other incentives.

Tell us what “choices” we “subsidize.”

Keep in mind that all social welfare benefits in the U.S. pale in comparison to those available in Scandinavian countries.

Sounds like you're aware of them already. Would women choose differently if those options were not available?

Of course.

Provide other incentives. That can be everything from tax policy, social shaming, or even crazier options like raising by the state.

Choices have consequences, unless you believe that women lack agency which is the most misogynistic thing I can think of.

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Anonymous wrote:They should marry another single mom so they are dual income plus dual child support. Might even have that 50/50 household chore split couples long for.

There is an app for single mothers to find other single mothers to be housemates with.

As a single mother this is the most attractive to me. Men are a mess in this country.

Unfortunately, the county restricts how many can live in a house. Unless you are from another country of course and then the sky is the limit.

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Anonymous wrote:Incentivize fatherhood.

Try to reform the winner-take-all dating economy (good luck).

Make fatherhood cool again (too many oafish goofballs on TV).

Reverse the decline of communities (very hard to do). Bring back God, churches and communities to try to hold crummy men more accountable.

Embrace stigma (not popular).

Embrace harems and alternative family structures.

Incentivize fatherhood?! Holy crap male privilege is mind blowing. Do we incentivize motherhood? No, women are default sole providers.

Women are also the default choosers on the parenthood question in the first place.

Not really anymore.

How so? Because of the abortion rulings?

I will grant in cases of rape, but women still decide who they want to have sex with and control whether they use birth control or require it of their partner, no?

Yes. Do you live under a rock?

You didn't address the rest of the post. Women have other birth control options apart from abortion, both before and after sex.

Stop treating women like infants that can't make or own up to grown up choices.

Correct, women are adults who are capable of deciding whether or not they need an abortion. They are capable of making grown up choices. Glad we’re on the same page.

Women are the default choosers on the parenthood question. They are more than capable of choosing whether to abstain, or to use a condom, or have sex with that bum or use a Plan B or...have an abortion.

Yes, glad we're on the same page!

Access to all of that is restricted now in the US. What part of that do you not understand?

Women are not allowed to abstain, make partners use condoms or be more judicious about sexual partners now? Who knew?!?

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Anonymous wrote:Incentivize fatherhood.

Try to reform the winner-take-all dating economy (good luck).

Make fatherhood cool again (too many oafish goofballs on TV).

Reverse the decline of communities (very hard to do). Bring back God, churches and communities to try to hold crummy men more accountable.

Embrace stigma (not popular).

Embrace harems and alternative family structures.

Incentivize fatherhood?! Holy crap male privilege is mind blowing. Do we incentivize motherhood? No, women are default sole providers.

Women are also the default choosers on the parenthood question in the first place.