Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:54
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
You’re more willing to engage with an unexamined fascist than I am. I was just going to tell them to hush.
I’ll say this on every applicable thread: it’s obvious where the GOP wants to take the US and it’s just as obvious that Skippy up there is happy to clap his hands and cheer on the fascism while trying to gaslight the rest of us.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:52
Subject: FL universities
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/27/opinion/desantis-higher-education-bill.amp.html
I don’t understand how people who claim to be anti big government/whose parents/grandparents fled dictators don’t see this as a big red flag.
I don’t understand how people who claim to be anti big government/whose parents/grandparents fled dictators don’t see this as a big red flag.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:42
Subject: Re:FL universities
So DeSantis is replacing a perceived liberal bias in higher education with actual right wing indoctrination. It’s so sad the right wing has devolved into this small brain, anti-freedom mindset. Higher education is associated with more liberal viewpoints and it’s it’s not because of indoctrination- it’s because being exposed to different viewpoints, instead of cloistering yourselves in theocratic hellholes like Liberty, tends to make you more liberal. Education is the best disinfectant for hate, and DeSantis knows it, just like Hitler knew it and just like Mao knew it.
I don’t expect much will change for Floridians, except there may be fewer employers willing to relocate there given the state of the local “talent”. But it’s not too long off until a UF degree is viewed the same as one from Liberty or any of the other Christian “colleges” out there - worthless foot soldiers with worthless diplomas.
I don’t expect much will change for Floridians, except there may be fewer employers willing to relocate there given the state of the local “talent”. But it’s not too long off until a UF degree is viewed the same as one from Liberty or any of the other Christian “colleges” out there - worthless foot soldiers with worthless diplomas.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:21
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
+1
Our democracy is predicated on a marketplace of ideas. Even ideas of hate like calling migrants "insects" or using the term "woke" as a placeholder for the N-word. When the state, in this case Governor DiSantis, limits that speech, it is a move towards authoritarianism.
The PP undertands that, the DiSantis supporters clearly don't. And then you ask, why do we need "liberal arts" and "humanities"? Because history is important.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:16
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.
Public schools should not.
It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.
But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.
I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.
No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".
Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.
DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.
Crickets.
Im still waiting to hear how banning teaching that posits "American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence." isn't instilling a particular dogma
Right?? The language in the bill is not just promoting an actual political agenda, but vague and unenforceable at times. "May not suppress or distort significant historical events," can't have curriculum that "defines American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence," must have "engagement with the Western literary tradition," and "whenever applicable, promote the philosophical underpinnings of Western civilization." It's grotesque. It's not to say that any of that, in theory, is bad. (Pun intended). But it's the exclusion of all other ways of thinking, which are now prohibited. How is this not censorship based on political ideology?
If you agree with this process, ask yourself this. Change everything to include all core curricula MUST contain DEI and racial equity, MUST include other worldly philosophies, MUST include gender studies and analysis. If you're not OK with that, you shouldn't be OK with this. This is authoritarianism plain and simple. If you just like the outcome and not the process, you should be screaming from the rooftops about this as awful. Because what you can do to someone can be done to you, too.
And all of it is required in a core history class that all students at public universities will have to take. Can that history class teach slavery? Is the trail of tears off limits? Jim Crow?
Anonymous
02/28/2023 13:09
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.
Public schools should not.
It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.
But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.
I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.
No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".
Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.
DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.
Crickets.
Im still waiting to hear how banning teaching that posits "American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence." isn't instilling a particular dogma
Right?? The language in the bill is not just promoting an actual political agenda, but vague and unenforceable at times. "May not suppress or distort significant historical events," can't have curriculum that "defines American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence," must have "engagement with the Western literary tradition," and "whenever applicable, promote the philosophical underpinnings of Western civilization." It's grotesque. It's not to say that any of that, in theory, is bad. (Pun intended). But it's the exclusion of all other ways of thinking, which are now prohibited. How is this not censorship based on political ideology?
If you agree with this process, ask yourself this. Change everything to include all core curricula MUST contain DEI and racial equity, MUST include other worldly philosophies, MUST include gender studies and analysis. If you're not OK with that, you shouldn't be OK with this. This is authoritarianism plain and simple. If you just like the outcome and not the process, you should be screaming from the rooftops about this as awful. Because what you can do to someone can be done to you, too.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 12:25
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.
Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.
Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 09:57
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.
Public schools should not.
It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.
But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.
I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.
No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".
Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.
DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.
Crickets.
Im still waiting to hear how banning teaching that posits "American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence." isn't instilling a particular dogma
Anonymous
02/28/2023 09:50
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It will be fine. Stop creating hysterics.
Six months from now, you won't even remember this bill. UF engineering will be fine, and kids will still be getting hammered at Balls and the Grog House. It will also be horrendously hot at the first few Football games of the season, as it always has been. At least they stopped allowing kids to leave, go drinking, and come back to the stadium. Now THAT was actually a dangerous environment.
XOXO
Anonymous
02/28/2023 09:48
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.
You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 09:10
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 09:03
Subject: FL universities
I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 07:53
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religous schools can teach dogma (see creationism)that is out of the mainstream of academia.
Public schools should not.
It is IRONIC that conservatives say they want government out of their lives, yet here they are DICTATING what is taught in school, what doctors can discuss with patients, etc.
But isn't their goal exactly that, to remove the teaching of dogma (ideology, race essentialism, etc.) from public schools? Maybe you don't recognize your own dogmas as dogmas.
I am sorry, but teaching creationism isn't science. Ignoring evolution is ignoring science.
No one except the fundamentlaists are interest in "dogma".
Teaching about US Histpry and the role of race is not "CRT" but that isn't how CRT is defined when you talk to the average 2020's Republican.
DP. Once again: who is proposing the teaching of creationism in public schools and/or universities? This strawman you've concocted is not a good look.
Crickets.
Now ask who has proposed the teaching of creationism under the guise of “intelligent design” and you have your answer: the same stupid clowns who support DeSantis’s fascism and are somehow offended at comparisons to Hitler.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 07:48
Subject: FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If there bozos on Twitter are going to bring up nazis, they might as well take the time to spell check.
maybe address Hitler's quote, because it is exactly DiSantis's justification here.
No, it really isn’t. But you keep thinking Ron DeSantis is Adolf Hitler. The attempt at equivalency really is stunning and demonstrates a complete lack of situational awareness. That and a total lack of any actual understanding of history.
+1
This absurd comparison to Hitler is exactly the same garbage they trotted out with Trump. What a bunch of loons.
Really, you want to use Trump as your standard bearer. The man who literally tried to overthrow the US government. You either a troll or just plain stupid. Just sick.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 23:17
Subject: Re:FL universities
Anonymous wrote:Sounds great to me. But if you disagree, just pay for school yourself.
Abusing the tax payer is ending in Fl.
Floridians don’t even pay state income taxes but don’t mind taking MY tax dollars to keep rebuilding your beach house after each hurricane season. Maybe you guys should start supporting yourselves.