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https://twitter.com/baseballnchill/status/1689847459273719808?s=46&t=RXug2E3wPuDEf8vlgSC9SQ

I have no interest in southern schools but I don’t see the issue here. They look like way more fun than the humorless and grim students you find in the northeast.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the kind of prospective student influenced by TikTok is unlikely to enhance any school's actual academic life? So whatever "popularity" they acquire will remain irrelevant for the measures that count when serious people consider institutions of higher learning? No, huh?

Yes! Because no one ever matures or changes in any appreciable way after they’re 18 years old.

You are ridiculous, in addition to being a snob.

Factoring TikTok into serious plans is ridiculous. Unless you think college is just a series of frat parties or something, in which case, any flood of applicants like that is really pretty useless for raising the academic accomplishment profile of an ambitious school.

Have you interacted with many high school kids lately?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the kind of prospective student influenced by TikTok is unlikely to enhance any school's actual academic life? So whatever "popularity" they acquire will remain irrelevant for the measures that count when serious people consider institutions of higher learning? No, huh?

Yes! Because no one ever matures or changes in any appreciable way after they’re 18 years old.

You are ridiculous, in addition to being a snob.

Factoring TikTok into serious plans is ridiculous. Unless you think college is just a series of frat parties or something, in which case, any flood of applicants like that is really pretty useless for raising the academic accomplishment profile of an ambitious school.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the kind of prospective student influenced by TikTok is unlikely to enhance any school's actual academic life? So whatever "popularity" they acquire will remain irrelevant for the measures that count when serious people consider institutions of higher learning? No, huh?

Yes! Because no one ever matures or changes in any appreciable way after they’re 18 years old.

You are ridiculous, in addition to being a snob.

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Anonymous wrote:Or, it could be because the schools are cheaper and sometimes easier to get into.

Huh. On my DC block alone, we have current students at: Vandy, Tulane, Rice, Charleston and Clemson.

Which of these are the cheap ones, again?

Sounds like a lot philistines and kids frozen out of t15s

Vanderbilt and Rice are both T15 schools. They are both more highly ranked than Columbia, Cornell, Berkeley, Notre Dame, UCLA, Georgetown, Michigan and so on and so forth. It's not just rubes, philistines, and sorority girls who are choosing to go to school in the south. And I don't think the kids going to Duke, Vandy, or Rice are particularly influenced by TikTok. It is possible to get a very good education in the South.

Kind of, but the South still heavily lags behind the northeast. The only school I’ve seen people consistently pick over Ivies when having the choice is Duke, otherwise even top kids from the south leave to go to an ivy.

+1 The Northeast schools' applications are still by far outpacing the South. Everywhere is getting more applications--and fewer people can get into the most competitive Northeast schools so more are going further afield.

That's not true at all. Much of New England is seeing a decline in applications, while the South, the Midwest, and the West are all seeing a significant increase. Furthermore, smart kids are being much more strategic with their applications. They're not wasting ED and SCEA apps on Ivys that are no longer merit based. Instead they apply to top schools elsewhere in the country, including the South, where legacy and connections and all the other hooks don't matter as much as they do at the Ivies. Of course, students will always want to study in Boston, but generally the Northeast as a college destination is in the decline.

NP. Nearly all top-100 universities have seen increases in apps since the change to test optional policies. It's possible that some schools are seeing bigger increases than others, though app numbers at colleges in the Northeast are still higher than they were, say, five years ago.

DP than the one you’re replying to — maybe everyone is up from 5 years ago, but most schools in most states in the NE are down in the last few years. MA wasn’t on this list as a big gainer or loser, so I assume it was relatively flat (compared to the southern states).

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Most states saw meaningful growth in college applicants since 2019–20, with a very few exceptions. South Carolina had the greatest growth of 74% over 2019–20, followed by Texas at 69%. South Dakota, a state with historically low applicant volume, saw a substantial decline in applicants (-58%). Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine each saw declines (-3%, -2%, -3%, -3%, and -14%, respectively).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/...023/?sh=5d92f6e19c4d

This report has a map by state, and MA is at 0% growth since 2019-2020. PA saw the most growth in the NE, at 21%, and judging by the amount of interest here in Pitt and Penn State, that’s not a surprise. AL & GA are up 46% & 45%, respectively.

There’s also a color coding that shows magnitude of actual numbers, in addition to % increase. NY had only a 4% increase, but that’s still a substantial number. However, it is also true that students applying to the competitive schools in the Ivy League send out more applications than students applying to less competitive schools, so these numbers are probably worse than they look for the NE based on actual numbers of individual students applying.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ca.research.publish/Deadline+Updates/DeadlineUpdate_030223.pdf#page4

Here’s a new link to the Forbes article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2023/03/30/college-applications-are-up-dramatically-in-2023/?sh=5d92f6e19c4d

Has anyone mentioned that the kind of prospective student influenced by TikTok is unlikely to enhance any school's actual academic life? So whatever "popularity" they acquire will remain irrelevant for the measures that count when serious people consider institutions of higher learning? No, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Or, it could be because the schools are cheaper and sometimes easier to get into.

Huh. On my DC block alone, we have current students at: Vandy, Tulane, Rice, Charleston and Clemson.

Which of these are the cheap ones, again?

Sounds like a lot philistines and kids frozen out of t15s

Vanderbilt and Rice are both T15 schools. They are both more highly ranked than Columbia, Cornell, Berkeley, Notre Dame, UCLA, Georgetown, Michigan and so on and so forth. It's not just rubes, philistines, and sorority girls who are choosing to go to school in the south. And I don't think the kids going to Duke, Vandy, or Rice are particularly influenced by TikTok. It is possible to get a very good education in the South.

Kind of, but the South still heavily lags behind the northeast. The only school I’ve seen people consistently pick over Ivies when having the choice is Duke, otherwise even top kids from the south leave to go to an ivy.

+1 The Northeast schools' applications are still by far outpacing the South. Everywhere is getting more applications--and fewer people can get into the most competitive Northeast schools so more are going further afield.

That's not true at all. Much of New England is seeing a decline in applications, while the South, the Midwest, and the West are all seeing a significant increase. Furthermore, smart kids are being much more strategic with their applications. They're not wasting ED and SCEA apps on Ivys that are no longer merit based. Instead they apply to top schools elsewhere in the country, including the South, where legacy and connections and all the other hooks don't matter as much as they do at the Ivies. Of course, students will always want to study in Boston, but generally the Northeast as a college destination is in the decline.

NP. Nearly all top-100 universities have seen increases in apps since the change to test optional policies. It's possible that some schools are seeing bigger increases than others, though app numbers at colleges in the Northeast are still higher than they were, say, five years ago.

DP than the one you’re replying to — maybe everyone is up from 5 years ago, but most schools in most states in the NE are down in the last few years. MA wasn’t on this list as a big gainer or loser, so I assume it was relatively flat (compared to the southern states).

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Most states saw meaningful growth in college applicants since 2019–20, with a very few exceptions. South Carolina had the greatest growth of 74% over 2019–20, followed by Texas at 69%. South Dakota, a state with historically low applicant volume, saw a substantial decline in applicants (-58%). Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine each saw declines (-3%, -2%, -3%, -3%, and -14%, respectively).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/...023/?sh=5d92f6e19c4d

True, plus my neighbor’s good-looking, kind, bright son wants to be around good-looking girls. Doesn’t want to be around any militant bizarre septum-pierced purple-haired girls.

Anonymous wrote:No, it’s because they offer instate tuition to kids from our area.

That’s why dd is going there and the weather.
They also give a lot of scholarships instate, they are doing something right when it comes to college affordability.

It's worse, though, because the result of their virtue signaling is detrimental to the URMs that they allow into their environments.

Whut? Those kids are just as smart. Check your bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:As a resident in MA where southern schools are not of much interest….are these schools mostly white? Sports centric? I recall a threat on UNC that discussed posters DCs regularly heard the N-word mentioned. Honestly shocking. Not to be antagonistic but perhaps the #s a police to NE are actually sensible.

Are you referring to mostly white MA, a state with abut 10% Black residents?

Touche! Liberal, privileged, guilt-ridden whites are the most dangerous kind. They don't realize that they just want to sprinkle in just enough diversity into their lily white environments so they don't LOOK like the exact same white supremacists that they look down upon in the south. It's worse, though, because the result of their virtue signaling is detrimental to the URMs that they allow into their environments.

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Anonymous wrote:Or, it could be because the schools are cheaper and sometimes easier to get into.

Huh. On my DC block alone, we have current students at: Vandy, Tulane, Rice, Charleston and Clemson.

Which of these are the cheap ones, again?

Sounds like a lot philistines and kids frozen out of t15s

Vanderbilt and Rice are both T15 schools. They are both more highly ranked than Columbia, Cornell, Berkeley, Notre Dame, UCLA, Georgetown, Michigan and so on and so forth. It's not just rubes, philistines, and sorority girls who are choosing to go to school in the south. And I don't think the kids going to Duke, Vandy, or Rice are particularly influenced by TikTok. It is possible to get a very good education in the South.

Kind of, but the South still heavily lags behind the northeast. The only school I’ve seen people consistently pick over Ivies when having the choice is Duke, otherwise even top kids from the south leave to go to an ivy.

The northeast is more than just the ivys like the south is more than just Duke. Vandy, Emory Rice, UNC, Davidson, Wash&Lee are all great schools and more respected than schools like Tufts, BC, BU etc

It is difficult to compare LACs like Davidson and W&L to mid size and large universities. If "respect" or generic prestige is a concern, Tufts BC BU are not less-respected than Davidson and W&L.

Do people trying to parse this out among great schools truly believe that going to a school rated 25 vs 30 vs 32 is going to make ANY meaningful difference? Especially when you are talking about the same kid (with their own strengths and weaknesses) choosing between them? Because that’s just insane and honestly (drumroll for a dcum classic) I feel sorry for your kids!

Exactly. That is the environment students don’t want to be a part of which is why the are heading to fun southern flagships. It’s ironic but not surprising the prestige obsessed don’t get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Or, it could be because the schools are cheaper and sometimes easier to get into.

Huh. On my DC block alone, we have current students at: Vandy, Tulane, Rice, Charleston and Clemson.

Which of these are the cheap ones, again?

Sounds like a lot philistines and kids frozen out of t15s

Vanderbilt and Rice are both T15 schools. They are both more highly ranked than Columbia, Cornell, Berkeley, Notre Dame, UCLA, Georgetown, Michigan and so on and so forth. It's not just rubes, philistines, and sorority girls who are choosing to go to school in the south. And I don't think the kids going to Duke, Vandy, or Rice are particularly influenced by TikTok. It is possible to get a very good education in the South.

Kind of, but the South still heavily lags behind the northeast. The only school I’ve seen people consistently pick over Ivies when having the choice is Duke, otherwise even top kids from the south leave to go to an ivy.

The northeast is more than just the ivys like the south is more than just Duke. Vandy, Emory Rice, UNC, Davidson, Wash&Lee are all great schools and more respected than schools like Tufts, BC, BU etc

It is difficult to compare LACs like Davidson and W&L to mid size and large universities. If "respect" or generic prestige is a concern, Tufts BC BU are not less-respected than Davidson and W&L.

Do people trying to parse this out among great schools truly believe that going to a school rated 25 vs 30 vs 32 is going to make ANY meaningful difference? Especially when you are talking about the same kid (with their own strengths and weaknesses) choosing between them? Because that’s just insane and honestly (drumroll for a dcum classic) I feel sorry for your kids!

https://twitter.com/isabellarileyus/status/1690429617432387584?s=46&t=RXug2E3wPuDEf8vlgSC9SQ

ASU alpha phi

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Anonymous wrote:Or, it could be because the schools are cheaper and sometimes easier to get into.

Huh. On my DC block alone, we have current students at: Vandy, Tulane, Rice, Charleston and Clemson.

Which of these are the cheap ones, again?

Sounds like a lot philistines and kids frozen out of t15s

Vanderbilt and Rice are both T15 schools. They are both more highly ranked than Columbia, Cornell, Berkeley, Notre Dame, UCLA, Georgetown, Michigan and so on and so forth. It's not just rubes, philistines, and sorority girls who are choosing to go to school in the south. And I don't think the kids going to Duke, Vandy, or Rice are particularly influenced by TikTok. It is possible to get a very good education in the South.

Kind of, but the South still heavily lags behind the northeast. The only school I’ve seen people consistently pick over Ivies when having the choice is Duke, otherwise even top kids from the south leave to go to an ivy.

+1 The Northeast schools' applications are still by far outpacing the South. Everywhere is getting more applications--and fewer people can get into the most competitive Northeast schools so more are going further afield.

That's not true at all. Much of New England is seeing a decline in applications, while the South, the Midwest, and the West are all seeing a significant increase. Furthermore, smart kids are being much more strategic with their applications. They're not wasting ED and SCEA apps on Ivys that are no longer merit based. Instead they apply to top schools elsewhere in the country, including the South, where legacy and connections and all the other hooks don't matter as much as they do at the Ivies. Of course, students will always want to study in Boston, but generally the Northeast as a college destination is in the decline.

NP. Nearly all top-100 universities have seen increases in apps since the change to test optional policies. It's possible that some schools are seeing bigger increases than others, though app numbers at colleges in the Northeast are still higher than they were, say, five years ago.