Anonymous
02/16/2023 21:13
Subject: Re:I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.
Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.
I agree that having a diverse and equitable workforce is good. We have a very diverse staff, and people are treated pretty fairly overall. That's not what I'm referring to. Our company is having external facilitators come in and force us to have awkward and uncomfortable conversations with probing questions that I truly don't feel comfortable sharing with my colleagues. I don't want to share "the moment that I felt discriminated against" or "the moment I did something discriminatory to someone else" or "my family background and structure". None of these things contribute to me doing my job well.
NP. I 100% agree with you, on all points. I was interviewing recently and thought it went pretty well. Then the last question: "Who is the most inclusive person you know, and why?" Nothing at all to do with the job or my experience. I was completely floored and it showed. I made up some BS answer but I knew that was it. Because of some absurd, virtue-signaling question, I did not get a job I was fully qualified for.
DEI is a farce and I look forward to the day more people realize this.
Well they thought answering that question well was part of being qualified. So NO, you were not fully qualified.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 21:12
Subject: Re:I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.
Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.
I agree that having a diverse and equitable workforce is good. We have a very diverse staff, and people are treated pretty fairly overall. That's not what I'm referring to. Our company is having external facilitators come in and force us to have awkward and uncomfortable conversations with probing questions that I truly don't feel comfortable sharing with my colleagues. I don't want to share "the moment that I felt discriminated against" or "the moment I did something discriminatory to someone else" or "my family background and structure". None of these things contribute to me doing my job well.
NP. I 100% agree with you, on all points. I was interviewing recently and thought it went pretty well. Then the last question: "Who is the most inclusive person you know, and why?" Nothing at all to do with the job or my experience. I was completely floored and it showed. I made up some BS answer but I knew that was it. Because of some absurd, virtue-signaling question, I did not get a job I was fully qualified for.
Well they thought answering that question well was part of being qualified. So NO, you were not fully qualified.
DEI is a farce and I look forward to the day more people realize this.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:47
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
I am a POc and it’s annoying AF. I don’t want to do an DEI training. Such a waste of time.
Another minority here who thinks dei = BS
And another. These trainings are useless and consultants are just making money. I wish white liberals would stop foisting this on us.
Why don't more POC start voicing it out? Don't they see how it is going to hurt their children?
Because any negative word will get written up and can be used to push that person out of the organization. It's the same reason people don't contradict their manager. Leadership does not want to look bad. So people silently suffer through these BS lectures.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:46
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.
White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.
What tortured mental gymnastics. So POC should be allowed to be 3 hours late or it is “white supremacy?” You are deranged.
DP but I think they were joking. Hope so, at least!
Yes, there is some racist B on this board who is obsessed with DEI topics. She doesn’t have any actual arguments she can articulate so all she does is try to mock and ridicule in bad-faith. She should be ordered to undergo sensitivity training.
Actually, there are those arguing that valuing punctuality is racist: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards (scroll to “timeliness” paragraph)
Is this actually sponsored by Stanford? If so, my estimation of that university just went into negative terrority.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:46
Subject: Re:I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
DEI is the new ISO 9000. It’s a way for “consultants” to make money.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:43
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.
White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.
What tortured mental gymnastics. So POC should be allowed to be 3 hours late or it is “white supremacy?” You are deranged.
DP but I think they were joking. Hope so, at least!
Yes, there is some racist B on this board who is obsessed with DEI topics. She doesn’t have any actual arguments she can articulate so all she does is try to mock and ridicule in bad-faith. She should be ordered to undergo sensitivity training.
DP. You mean sensitivity training like this?
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:42
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.
White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.
Punctuality? because every white person has a chauffeur and limo or pent house next door and all POCs are taking 6 buses, right? 🙄
How on earth are punctuality and perfectionism racist issues??
If only there was some training out there to help you understand?
DP. Are you actually claiming people of certain races should be allowed to be late and to not do their work correctly? Because to ask otherwise of them would be racism? Getting my popcorn...
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:39
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
I am a POc and it’s annoying AF. I don’t want to do an DEI training. Such a waste of time.
Another minority here who thinks dei = BS
And another. These trainings are useless and consultants are just making money. I wish white liberals would stop foisting this on us.
Why don't more POC start voicing it out? Don't they see how it is going to hurt their children?
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:30
Subject: Re:I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.
Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.
I agree that having a diverse and equitable workforce is good. We have a very diverse staff, and people are treated pretty fairly overall. That's not what I'm referring to. Our company is having external facilitators come in and force us to have awkward and uncomfortable conversations with probing questions that I truly don't feel comfortable sharing with my colleagues. I don't want to share "the moment that I felt discriminated against" or "the moment I did something discriminatory to someone else" or "my family background and structure". None of these things contribute to me doing my job well.
NP. I 100% agree with you, on all points. I was interviewing recently and thought it went pretty well. Then the last question: "Who is the most inclusive person you know, and why?" Nothing at all to do with the job or my experience. I was completely floored and it showed. I made up some BS answer but I knew that was it. Because of some absurd, virtue-signaling question, I did not get a job I was fully qualified for.
DEI is a farce and I look forward to the day more people realize this.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:25
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
As a POC who is deeply support live of racial equity work I find that DEI trainings/meetings can be really hit or miss. If the leadership is disengaged or has their own agenda it can be really bad. If it gets bogged down into airing of grievances it can do a lot more harm than good. If it is an HR training telling people not to display Nazi symbols in their office so the org doesn't get sued that is pretty worthless unless those obvious things are a big issue in your org. It absolutely can be a total waste of time. IMO it should be focused on training on structural racism (e.g. the Racial Equity Institute's two-day training) and on addressing microaggressions in the workplace (the book Subtle Acts of Exclusion offers a really good framework for this). It should also include efforts to identify how to embed anti racism into your work and implementing those actions. Racism affects everything.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 20:10
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
I am a POc and it’s annoying AF. I don’t want to do an DEI training. Such a waste of time.
Another minority here who thinks dei = BS
And another. These trainings are useless and consultants are just making money. I wish white liberals would stop foisting this on us.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 19:48
Subject: Re:I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
In my office's DEI and Implicit Bias training, when it came time for commentary, I really wanted to say that I'm tired of white people telling me how I'm supposed to think and feel.
The white people are the ones doing training.
Yes, it is a grifter industry.
-signed, non-white
The white people are the ones doing training.
Yes, it is a grifter industry.
-signed, non-white
Anonymous
02/16/2023 19:46
Subject: Re:I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
In my workplace, leaders created two affinity groups, one for people of color and one for everyone else (white folk). As an ethnic minority who is white, that meant I got to hear my colleagues confess to all the slurs and stereotypes their relatives taught them/perpetuated casually about my minority group. I feel much less comfortable at work now. I doubt that was the leaders’ aim. I’m super liberal, but I think that was an awful approach to DEI.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 19:39
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.
Exactly.
Honestly DEI in my neck of the woods was simply the fastest way to get African Americans in a c-suite position (and to avoid lawsuits)
Anonymous
02/16/2023 19:36
Subject: I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has always been corporate bullsh!t to deal with. This is the new fad. Just smile and nod and let it wash over you.
I hear you, this just hits differently from the "management trainings" that we had to deal with. At least those didn't feel uncomfortable.
Yes, dealing with implicit bias and racism is uncomfortable. There’s no way around it.