Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 13:22     Subject: travel jealousy
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I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.


If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.


I wasn’t saying not to travel. We are flying overseas for spring break. My point was we need to really start thinking about our actions and their impact. How much is too much? To a hardcore environmentalist, my trip overseas is indulgent…and it probably is. Somebody’s 4000 square foot home is frowned on. I’m not casting stones. Most of us are guilty of over consumption to some degree. I worry that we are not leaving the earth better than we found it and future generations will say “what were they thinking.”


Again, until nations and corporations make large strides, the rest is just us spraying a garden hose at a forest fire.


National governments, to be exact. The only way to solve issues like this. It's why smog isn't a problem anymore, and water is mostly safe- because of federal laws with enforcement teeth. Anything else is nice and certainly doesn't hurt, but mostly is tilting at windmills. Simplest and fairest way is probably a carbon tax combined with credits back to those with moderate and low incomes so they aren't made worse off.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 13:11     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:Social media has really driven this craze


Like most things. Home decorating, what car you drive, family photos, number of kids, how fancy is your wedding, etc. It’s all so much more a competition now than it was before.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 13:10     Subject: travel jealousy
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I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.


If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.


I wasn’t saying not to travel. We are flying overseas for spring break. My point was we need to really start thinking about our actions and their impact. How much is too much? To a hardcore environmentalist, my trip overseas is indulgent…and it probably is. Somebody’s 4000 square foot home is frowned on. I’m not casting stones. Most of us are guilty of over consumption to some degree. I worry that we are not leaving the earth better than we found it and future generations will say “what were they thinking.”


Again, until nations and corporations make large strides, the rest is just us spraying a garden hose at a forest fire.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 13:09     Subject: travel jealousy
Social media has really driven this craze
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 12:58     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.


If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.


I wasn’t saying not to travel. We are flying overseas for spring break. My point was we need to really start thinking about our actions and their impact. How much is too much? To a hardcore environmentalist, my trip overseas is indulgent…and it probably is. Somebody’s 4000 square foot home is frowned on. I’m not casting stones. Most of us are guilty of over consumption to some degree. I worry that we are not leaving the earth better than we found it and future generations will say “what were they thinking.”
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 12:39     Subject: travel jealousy
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Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.


I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.


If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.


By this logic are you going to burn open fires, drive a Hummer, buy fast fashion, and use lots of plastic because you didn't get the chance do this in the past? Isn't it the same argument that developing countries should be allowed to pollute as much as they like because they didn't have as many cars and factories and planes in the past when developed countries were polluting? Are you going to ride around without your kids using car seats, because that's how we gen x and boomers grew up too.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 12:23     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.


I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.


If you have traveled a lot, it’s easy to say you don’t need to travel much anymore. Some of us didn’t travel at all as kids and young adults and are making up for lost time. If you already got yours, great, but many of us didn’t and we aren’t going to stay home because all the people who got to travel before us polluted.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 11:36     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.


I love to travel, but don’t really feel the need for a lot of big trips. We have done a lot of the big parks out west, which are awesome, and a little bit of international travel. Still, some of our best memories as a family are simple vacations to OBX, Cape Cod, Canaan Valley…etc.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 11:27     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.


There's a difference though between driving to Chincoteague to a rental house or taking five international trips.


But even the latter pales in comparison to corporate pollution or the waste of the mega rich. My neighbor is a private jet pilot. The corp he works for owns 2 gulf streams and employee 6-8 full time pilots. Execs have personal use of the plane too as a perk. Oh the stories he tells. He will fly a family on vacation, then fly the dad home for a 2 hour meeting and then fly him back. They fly adult kids to Vegas for the weekend in the jet. Stuff like that.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 11:13     Subject: travel jealousy
For people taking all these trips, what steps do you take to avoid overtourism? I hate going places to stand in queues of other tourists.

I recall a thread over Christmas where a family was rushing through Paris checking off the Mona Lisa, the overpriced hot chocolate place, the Eiffel Tower etc in as little time as possible. Made me shudder.

What are the exclusive places that the OP discusses?
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 11:06     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.


There's a difference though between driving to Chincoteague to a rental house or taking five international trips.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 11:00     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.


+1 Exactly.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 10:59     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.


Because it’s a collective action problem. It does no good for a small group of people to sacrifice while a big group of people carry on as they please. The US could seriously tax all kinds of emissions across industries but…lobbyists. I’m not going to skip vacations with my family while corporations can pollute with impunity.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 10:53     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's so weird me to that people on DCUM have been on multiple international vacations. I never have (business travel, yes). But popping over to Europe for a long weekend? Cannot relate.


Why do you think it's so weird? Maybe you need to grow up & realize not everyone is as narrow minded & limited as you are.


It's interesting that this discussion thread isn't really considering the environmental impact of all this jetsetting.


Agree. We are taking one flight for vacation this year, to Italy, and I feel a little guilty about it. Nobody is saying to stop traveling/flying, but people talking about 5 - 10 vacations a year are not helping. I have some work travel, that’s not essential, but can’t convince management otherwise.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2023 09:52     Subject: travel jealousy
Anonymous wrote:I know what you mean, OP. I live in a well-off area and it seemed like everyone was traveling to a tropical location during winter break, skiing on the FCPS 4 day weekend, and still planning more trips for spring break.


While I’m sure there ARE families who travel every break, I think mostly it just feels that way because you know A and B families went away for winter break, C & D families both took big ski trips, and then yet another group of families is traveling for spring break. It all blurs together and feels like people are traveling constantly but it’s not the same people over and over, like I said, with a couple exceptions. I will say that most families do seem to travel at spring break and at least once in the summer, but the rest is a lot more sporadic.